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• TWeaK@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I mean, it’s up to you which side you support.

  However, I don’t think this is like other conflicts you’re comparing it to, where there is pretty clearly one party doing something wrong and the other is the victim defending. Poland didn’t provoke Germany, and neither did Ukraine with Russia (although there is propaganda claiming otherwise). The Israel/Palestine conflict is one that has been going back and forth for the better part of a century, with each side ever retaliating for the other side’s previous attack. You can try to dig through it, but ultimately tallying up who did what and which side is worse will not lead to any useful resolution.

  One way I’ve heard this event explained is this: you can only kick a dog so many times until it snaps. That doesn’t mean it’s ok when the dog snaps and bites a kid who didn’t kick it, but the dog biting is still a result of the dog being kicked. Israel has been doing a lot of kicking lately (openly killing a Palestinian journalist, raiding mosques on a holy day), now the dog has snapped back, next the dog will be beaten ever harder.

  Let me ask you this: do you really support Israel (and if so why), or are you against Hamas/Palestine based on the horrific act you’ve witnessed?

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• MrNesser@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Copied from another post:

  I’m done with both sides; I’ve sympathised with the Palestinian people in the past - to a large extent Hamas is not the Palestinian people but is still the goverment the people voted in. Both sides have committed atrocious acts of violence and its got them nowhere in 75 years.

  The situation cannot continue as is and Hamas has burned bridges it couldn’t have afforded to burn.

  Israel is very capable of walking over the Palestinian territories and occupying them indefinitely, the only thing holding them back has been international pressure - which has now been released due to the recent attacks.

  I’m ready as is most of my generation I believe, to see the next iteration of the middle east however that turns out.

  I just feel sorry for those who are going to be rolled over.

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  • Rocinante@lemmy.one ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Yes. All I’ve learned from all this middle east stuff is that unless anyone is personally involved due to blood ties nobody makes a convincing argument to win over outsiders to their side. Pretty sure many people have constantly flip flopped going what the fuck and then saying they support X then another what the fuck happens and they flip.

    Just stay out of it. Not like we are personally going to arm ourselves and shed blood for the cause. All I’ve learned is that all these arguments are nothing but a bunch of keyboard warriors advocating for a conflict they have absolutely no clue about, and people just flip flopping back and forth and end up not understanding anymore than when they started. That area is just a messed up place of anarchy and I’m not even going to try to make sense of that place anymore.

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    • VentraSqwal@links.dartboard.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      The US does send something like billions in monetary and military aid over there which could be spent here so it does kind of affect us over here, but other than that, I agree.

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  • Delphia@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    “For every action there is a reaction, and an Israeli reaction is quite a fucking thing”

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• corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Their soldiers shot MSF doctors with impunity. They deserve no support.

  While neither of today’s combatants deserve support, your question was only about the one group.

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• NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  This conflict is so old now that it is absolutely safe to say: both sides are somewhat right and somewhat wrong.

  Having said that, and because we are in such a special sub here: if you support Israel, you get entitled for Jewish heaven later! :-)

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• Sauvandu59@lemmy.my.id ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  no.

  youtu.be/FhlUFPpXIVo

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• HerbalGamer@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  No.

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• Hillock@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I am not really sure what you mean with their settlement. If you just mean the existence of Israel, then yes it's fine to support that. If you are talking about their actual settlement policies, then no. I don't think supporting a system of displacing people you deem "inferior" or "unwanted" to make room for "superior" people should be supported.

  How to feel about the military response to the attacks is purely a personal choice. A fight against terrorists is never clean. And whether or not the amount of "collateral damages" is acceptable is up to you. I personally think that the attack by Hamas were extreme enough to warrent the response by the IDF. I don't think you can expect someone to just turn the other cheek in this scenario. But I totally understand people who say any amount of civilian casualties is too much.

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• Chocrates@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I would encourage you to read up a little on it but some bullet points as I understand it:

  • Hamas is a terrorist group that has abducted and killed civilians
  • Israel is not Judeism
  • "the west" has been colonizing Palestine since the fall of the Ottomans post WW1 and displacing the indigenous Palestinians
  • it is accurate to call Gaza and “open air prison” and they get 4 hours of electricity a day during peacetime

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• darcy@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  its like supporting russia, but more mainstream

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• Pea666@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Short answer: Sure, why would you need our approval anyway.

  Longer answer: it’s a complicated conflict where shitty things are done by both sides and it’s probably not as simple as supporting one side over the other all the time.

  I’d say a lot of it is politicians being political for their own gains and normal people (Israeli and Palestinian) getting fucked. But who am I eh?

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• Kusimulkku@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I’m not sure what sort of answer you’re looking for since it depends from person to person.

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• mojo@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I’m too uninformed so I just put my hands in the air and say idk. It’s really fucked on both ends.

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