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What the AMPTP is refusing to grant the WGA vs. their profits

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Submitted ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨FlyingSquid@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨workreform@lemmy.world⁩

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  • donut4ever@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I had a similar argument the other day with some capitalist asshole I know. He kept saying “do you want your fries at McDonald’s to be $30?”. Did the math for him and showed him that if McDonalds gave every single employee of theirs $5 raise, it’ll cost them ~ $250mil, and their profit for the year was $6b. He didn’t say a single word after that.

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    • PraiseTheSoup@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      If you’re gonna “do the math” for someone you should probably do it correctly. I don’t know where you got this figure from. In 2022, McDonald’s employed 200,000 people. There are 2080 working hours (52 weeks * 40 hours) in a year.

      200,000 * 2080 * 5 = $2.08 billion

      Of course, this is still an affordable amount of money for McDonald’s, but it is significantly more (about 8 times) than what you say it is.

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      • donut4ever@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        You’re assuming that all of their employees are full time employees.

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    • Steeve@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Damn, you turned him into a mute

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      • donut4ever@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Fuck them and fuck their bullshit. They’re just assholes who want everything for themselves.

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  • SinningStromgald@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It’s disgusting how greedy and petty these multi-million dollar companies are that they won’t even remotely play fair with the people who actually make them all their money. Even worse they are hoping a few well paid AI programmers can eliminate the need for writers all together.

    Take to the high seas and don’t give those bastards a cent!

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    • princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      There is a big distinction between multi-million and multi-billion companies that needs to be pointed out here.

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      • SinningStromgald@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Autocorrect. Should have been multi-billion.

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  • slazer2au@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Be interesting to add 2 more columns the C suite compensation packages and their percentage of income. Might help give people more context.

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  • average_internet_enjoyer@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    This is a great post, but I’d argue that evaluating the company’s net profit is better as it’s the actual profits the company makes at the end

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    • glockenspiel@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Revenue is used because this industry is notorious for “Hollywood accounting” to avoid having any actual profits to avoid residuals based on net.

      Some of the biggesr blockbusters of all time are, thanks to Hollywood accounting, net losers. Forrest Gump is a classic example: it made almost a billion dollars in revenue vs a $55 million budget. But thanks to tax evasion techniques the movie is actually a huge financial loser on paper, losing more than $65 million if you look at net.

      You can’t trust non-workers, who exist entirely off the wealth they can cheat out of workers, to be honest.

      So that is why gross revenue is used in Hollywood.

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      • TWeaK@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Exactly this. The classic example:

        • Warner Bros Studios (WBS) wants to make a movie.
        • WBS license IP from Warner Bros Productions (WBP).
        • WBS hire sets and costumes from WBP.
        • WBS pays WBP for promotional marketing.
        • All workers are contracted with WBS, who is making the movie.
        • Movie brings in millions or billions in revenue to WBS.
        • It just so happens that all those things, IP, sets, costumes, marketing, well they all came to more millions and billions, which WBS now needs to pay WBP.
        • WBS operates at a loss, WBP gets all the profits.

        The reality is much more complicated than that, but that’s the gist of it - and the Hollywood entertainment industry aren’t the only ones doing it anymore.

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      • billiam0202@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Hollywood accounting doesn’t apply to studios that are publicly traded, only their projects:

        2022 profits

        • Disney (NYSE: DIS) $28.321 billion
        • Netflix (NASDAQ: NFLX) $12.447 billion
        • Warner Brothers Discovery (NASDAQ: WBD) $13.375 billion
        • Paramount Global (NASDAQ: PARA) $10.309 billion
        • NBC Universal/Comcast (NASDAQ: CMCSA) $44.951 billion
        • Amazon (NASDAQ: AMZN) $-2.722 billion
        • Sony (NYSE: SONY) "Almost $7 billion"
        • Apple (NASDAQ: AAPL) $99.8 billion

        Some thoughts:

        1. Some of these are obviously corporate figures and don’t necessarily reflect how well the production department of each corp is doing. Still, it reflects the fact that these corporations could easily (well, mostly) absorb the costs of what SAG-AFTRA/WGA are asking for.
        2. Sony has all their fiscal year information published but not collated by calendar year, and I couldn’t be bothered to dig it up myself, so I just took their word for it.
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      • FlyingSquid@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        That’s really interesting. Thanks for explaining that, it was something I was totally unaware of. Now I have changed my mind and I think the WGA listed the right numbers.

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    • IWantToFuckSpez@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Revenue is a better measure. Actual profits is very hard to measure since the numbers are obfuscated. These companies often stash their IP rights in a tax haven under a different company. Like how Apple uses the island of Jersey. End of the year the offshore company sends a massive royalties bill and boom their taxable income is slashed significantly.

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      • average_internet_enjoyer@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        “Ah I see now!” said the blind man Seriously though, that makes a lot more sense about why they use revenue instead of net profit

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    • kitonthenet@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Well, no since this should be considered one of the expenses the companies will have to pay, revenue is the appropriate metric. I wouldn’t judge the cost to switch from aluminum to carbon fiber at Boeing against its profits, I’d measure it against revenue

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    • FlyingSquid@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I agree, but that came directly from a WGA statement.

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      • glockenspiel@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Thank you for sharing! I probably wouldn’t have seen it otherwise.

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  • Tolstoshev@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Yes but if we give in now, where will it stop? - the execs

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