Mastodon was complicated
and full of racists/white supremacists (still is).
Blacksky Is Nothing Like Black Twitter—and It Doesn’t Need to Be
Submitted 1 week ago by remington@beehaw.org to technology@beehaw.org
https://www.wired.com/story/blacksky-is-nothing-like-black-twitter/
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SweetCitrusBuzz@beehaw.org 1 week ago
tate@lemmy.sdf.org 1 week ago
I don’t see them there.
Best thing about Mastodon is no insidious algorithm forcing stuff on you to specifically make you angry.
SweetCitrusBuzz@beehaw.org 1 week ago
Well, they exist. Probably because a lot of the harrasment goes on in DMs or in followers only posts (or instances block them or they do dogwhistles etc).
Yes, but people are, regardless, still awful and so it’s not a place me or many others would recommend precisely because not many care enough to do anything about it. Which is exactly why I try to.
realitista@lemm.ee 6 days ago
Bluesky also has no algorithm in its “followed” feed. Any algorithm is opt-in.
GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.org 1 week ago
Do you think this is a systemic problem, or just the happenstance of today? Is there something about Bluesky’s architecture or governance that makes it more resilient against that (particularly in the long term)? Or will they have all the same problems as they gain more users and enable more federation with other servers?
OhNoMoreLemmy@lemmy.ml 1 week ago
I mean the fundamental problem is that humans are dicks and moderation is always needed. It should also be paid, and supported with counciling and recovery time when needed. Dealing with toxic content is a job.
Federation isn’t very good at this. The tech is great but everyone is a volunteer and there’s (afaik) no global ban hammer so trolls move from one instance to another. Bluesky currently has venture capital to pay for moderation teams, and centralized ban options.
I don’t know how long this can last without advertising revenue though.
SweetCitrusBuzz@beehaw.org 1 week ago
I mean, it is a systemic problem in that society is racist, social media reflects that. It could be the one to change that in part if people cared enough to fix things both online and off. But they don’t, they’re so dedicated to upholding the structures of white supremacy and remaining willfully ignorant that they end up caring just about themselves.
Having said that, whilst Bluesky may or may not care about moderation on a global level (I’ve heard mixed things), I think this kind of community building and user level block lists is a good thing, so it may work out for now.
Like all commercial ventures into anything online I do expect it’ll become enshitified eventually, but for now may it long continue and hopefully drive the devs, moderators and actual users of the fediverse to care and introduce better moderation features or actually care about doing it and stopping the many white supremacists etc on the network through various means.
ColdCreasent@lemmy.ca 5 days ago
Yay! Segregation again!!! /s I guess we go backwards because people are incapable of moving forwards.
Vodulas@beehaw.org 5 days ago
Safe spaces are not segregation in the same sense as US history. These are folks self selecting, not the government selecting for them. Often online spaces especially need spaces like this so folks in marginalized groups can have a safe community. They are also not stuck to the one feed, they can just choose what feed they want when
ColdCreasent@lemmy.ca 5 days ago
Agreed that it is not the legal definition of segregation. It is segregation by choice in my own opinion. Because we refuse to move forwards as a world.
millie@beehaw.org 5 days ago
There is a world of difference between being excluded from spaces where you’re marginalized (such as society on the whole) and creating spaces where you aren’t marginalized. Does that make sense?
Mubelotix@jlai.lu 5 days ago
Funny cause I just left bluesky after my post was quote-posted by a famous guy whose thousands of fans insulted me all at once
theangriestbird@beehaw.org 1 week ago
super cool! glad to hear Black Twitter gets to be a more formal thing now for black users, with moderation by the community for the community.
StarlightDust@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 week ago
Bluesky chased black people off the platform right at the start when they allowed racial slurs in usernames. They are currently chasing trans people off the platform by refusing to ban Jesse Singal for harrasment.
jarfil@beehaw.org 1 week ago
Bluesky seems to want users to pick 3rd-party moderators, what they call “Labelers”:
www.bluesky-labelers.io
It’s not a bad concept, reducing Bluesky’s expenses and involvement, while at the same time allowing each user to “pick and choose” the moderation that they’d prefer. The downside, is that 3rd-party moderators might not be able to “ban” at a scale of over 10 million users.
remington@beehaw.org 1 week ago
This dropped today:
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