Slack users horrified to discover messages used for AI training

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• thevoiceofra@mander.xyz ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  put messages into someone else’s system don’t read privacy policy someone else uses your messages surprisedpikatchu.jpg

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  • octopus_ink@lemmy.ml ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Seriously. What would be surprising is if they were not. Proprietary Software gonna Proprietary Software.

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  • sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Just the other day, me and @rottingleaf@lemmy.zip “designed” a new messenger to combat things like this: lazysoci.al/comment/9619656

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    • r4venw@kbin.social ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Your idea doesn't sound too difficult to implement but I don't know if people would want to store all these messages locally when the vast majority of people are used to having their shit be stored elsewhere. Additionally, if you wanted to target enterprise users, they would want to likely have all their messages centralised for auditing purposes

      Other than that, I think its a pretty neat idea

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• Plume@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  1. "Alright guys, it’s time to leave Slack for a better alternative!"
  2. Proceeds to migrate to yet another proprietary and centralized piece of software.
  3. It happens again.
  4. "Alright guys, it’s time to leave [insert software name here] for a better alternative!"
  5. It happens again, again.
  6. Clown moment.

  It’s what’s going to happen. It’s what always happens. And on a side note, by the way, I guaran-fucking-tee you that it’s what’s going to eventually happen with Discord as well. I have zero doubt about it.

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  • sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’m surprised that Slack beat Discord to it.

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  • SineSwiper@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Do you know how to break the cycle? Use open-source software. Use standard protocols that aren’t locked behind some greedy corporation.

    Why not take the features from Discord/Slack and integrate it into a new IRC or Jabber protocol?

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    • Plume@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Has anybody tried Revolt? It looks really cool. Like a proper open source alternative to Discord. But I never had the opportunity to try it with anyone, so I don’t know.

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    • Thann@lemmy.ml ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Mumble hasn’t fed any of my data to a megacorp!

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    • eveninghere@beehaw.org ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Technically, being open source or free ala GPL isn’t enough. Protocols aren’t enough.

      You need a guarantee that you own your data.

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  • tal@lemmy.today ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I mean, if the Threadiverse has enough volume to be useful, someone – probably many people – are going to be logging and training things off it too, probably.

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    • applepie@kbin.social ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      That's the nature of public shit posting.

      The real issue is that tech creeps and other pests think they own my shit posting.

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  • Megaman_EXE@beehaw.org ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    At this point, I think the genie is out of the bottle. I feel like unless you’re on some p2p encrypted chat, anything typed into the internet is getting scraped. I’m sure everyone at this point has had at least one comment scraped and used for language model stuff.

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    • B0rax@feddit.de ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      To be honest, if someone thought that public things on the internet are not getting scraped, I am not sure what to tell them… Search engines have been doing it since the beginning of search engines, it is no wonder that the same would be done to train AI.

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    • Bartsbigbugbag@lemmy.ml ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It’s not no matter what. It’s under the system we have they are not only not punished for doing so, they are heavily incentivized to do so. There are ways to punish bad actors that de-incentivize other potential bad actors, our politicians actively choose to prioritize these bad actors ability to do harm over the well being of the population.

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    • bilb@lem.monster ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I honestly don’t get the outage over that. I feel like I’m in the minority on that, though. I don’t care if linguistic statics are gathered from my public comments. Knock yourself out.

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    • eveninghere@beehaw.org ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Corporations are bad and yet still follow laws (in the west). The bigger issue is state actors. Especially the non-democratic ones.

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• blabber6285@sopuli.xyz ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  This was definitely a fuckup from Slack but as I’ve understood it, the “AI training” means that they’re able to suggest emoji reactions to messages.

  Not sure how to think about this, but here’s some additional info from slack: slack.engineering/how-we-built-slack-ai-to-be-sec…

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  • esaru@beehaw.org ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    AI training to suggest emoji reactions? Really? 😂

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• Kekzkrieger@feddit.de ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I know of a few security companies that use slack to work together that includes a shitton of privat data, source codes and confidentional information

  Guess whoever introduced the company to slack service fucked up by not reading their policies.

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  • shasta@lemm.ee ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Or they’re using the paid tier

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  • dubyakay@lemmy.ca ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’m working in fintech, and we share pii through DMs all the time (for investigation purposes). I’d be really surprised if the AI would need to train on that.

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• AlternateRoute@lemmy.ca ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Interesting how MS is the reasonable one here where all their copilot stuff clearly separates paying business from free consumer stuff for training / not training.

  However slack has gone and said they will train on everything, and ONLY the paying companies can request to opt out.

  Too bad so sad for all those small dev teams that have been using the “free” version of slack… No option to opt out.

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• Paragone@beehaw.org ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Wasn’t there a competitor named Mattermost?

  a FLOSS competitor?

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• Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Stay away from proprietary crap like Discord, Slack, WhatsApp and Facebook Messenger. There are enough FOSS alternatives out there:

  • You just want to message a friend/family member?
    • Signal is the way to go
  • You need strong privacy/security/anonymity?
    • SimpleX
    • Session
    • Briar
    • I can’t really tell you which one is the best, since I never used any of these (except for Session) for an extended period of time. Briar seems to be the best for anonymity, because it routes everything through the Tor network. SimpleX allows you to host your own node, which is pretty cool.
  • You want to host an online chatroom/community?
    • Matrix (Element)
    • Revolt
    • (XMPP)
    • (IRC)
  • You need to message your team at work?
    • Mattermost
    • Rocket.Chat
    • Zulip
  • You want a Zoom alternative?
    • Jitsi Meet

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  • Templa@beehaw.org ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    In the perfect world where you can convince your company to use anything other than MS Teams and that your family bothers to use anything that isn’t WhatsApp or Telegram. Unfortunately I don’t live on it 😭

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    • Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Ok sure, it’s more complicated in a corporate environment. But you can easily convince your friends to switch to Signal, I got almost all of my friends and family to use Signal and it’s great.

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• tunetardis@lemmy.ca ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  We need to watermark insert something into our watermark posts that watermark can be traced back to its origin watermark if the AI starts training watermark on it.

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