This is a very 2024 take on history, complete with unnecessary references to trans people to grab the attention of the modern reader. Blanket condemning every Allied participant in the war and portraying them as evil, whilst glossing over the German people’s complicity in the creation and rise of the Nazi state because they were “desperate”, displays a level of nuance and research nowhere near that which is required to cover such a deeply traumatic period in human history. Overly-emotional, intentionally controversial writing like this does absolutely nothing to further your cause or improve society; it just pushes people further into their respective corner and encourages hatred for the other side. I wish people like yourself would understand this and put more effort in.
It’s a good thing they died at Gallipoli
Submitted 6 months ago by Grail@aussie.zone to australianpolitics@aussie.zone
https://medium.com/@viridiangrail/its-a-good-thing-they-died-at-gallipoli-11e5c2c4b49e
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Ilandar@aussie.zone 6 months ago
Grail@aussie.zone 6 months ago
Antiwar sentiment is not new, and pro-trans sentiment isn’t new either.
www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/…/13849952
…net.au/…/phillips-richard-australia-anzac-day-an…
The central purpose of Australia’s WWI centenary celebrations is to saturate the population with militarism and patriotic propaganda in preparation for new imperialist wars. In line with this agenda, the ruling elite and all its political agencies do their utmost to downplay, distort and cover-up the real history of 1917 and, in particular, the lessons of the Russian Revolution, the most significant political event, not just of that year but of the 20th century.
theguardian.com/…/alan-tudge-is-dead-wrong-anzac-…
Next, Anzac – and its special day – have always been contested. Since 1916 many war veterans (not least the original Anzacs who protested against the politicisation of the war they fought) have refused to take part in commemorations. This year Douglas Newton’s new book about the soldier and objector Private Edward James Ryan highlighted the deep divisions among soldiers and broader society about Australian involvement in the first world war.
…com.au/…/the-one-day-of-the-year/
Undoubtedly one of Australia’s favourite plays, The One Day of the Year explores the universal theme of father–son conflict against the background of the beery haze and the heady, nostalgic sentimentality of Anzac Day. It is a play to make us question a standard institution – Anzac Day, the sacred cow among Australian annual celebrations
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If you’d have written the article along the same lines as you’ve written this comment. With a more considered tone, even reference to a play to expound a point, then the reception of the real message your wishing to convey would be so much better.
The Medium article only adds hate and hyperbole to the subject, this comment started to build a context for treating ANZAC in a different light. Instead of berating the reader to think differently, invite the reader.
Please consider writing another article, I think you have something of value here.
Ilandar@aussie.zone 6 months ago
I’m not sure what the point of this reply is. I never claimed that anti-war sentiment didn’t exist at the time. None of what you’ve just quoted has anything to do with my criticisms of your writing.
The Nazi state discriminated against all kinds of minorities, yet the one group you specifically chose to mention (other than the obvious choice of Jewish people) was trans people. It is very obvious why you chose that particular minority group, given how topical trans issues are in modern society. Attempting to sway people through this kind of emotional manipulation is lazy writing and only plays well to the echo chamber.
lodion@aussie.zone 6 months ago
I’m locking this post. There has been some good discussion within the comments, but I don’t believe the linked article is in good faith, and the discussion here is heading off the rails.
CTDummy@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Apparently any clown can write an article these days. Like WWI started because Britain had some weight to throw around; with a quick reference to reality with the “a dead duke” line. Clearly an article aimed at inflaming rage click via shitting on service members. Using those who died in horrific condition to prop up their shitty career and political opinions. ANZAC day remembers those who died in war. You don’t need to agree with every conflict this country has been in to acknowledge those who’ve served it.
Also pro tip, if you’re a journalist and your article unironically includes “this is BAD” then you’re a hack writing for a (paywalled lol) rag.
iamananathemadevice@aussie.zone 6 months ago
Conflating the foot soldiers supporting their mates and brothers with the big knobs running the circus, isn’t fair, however true the historical context is.
Grail@aussie.zone 6 months ago
There were Australians at the time who supported their brothers. They said, “stay home.” And there were also Australians at the time who said “Let’s go kill people in the name of honour”, and who encouraged their brothers to a miserable death. Australia never conscripted for World War One. Everyone who died in those trenches chose to be there. Everyone who died in those trenches was a killer. Everyone who died in those trenches after telling his mates to enlist was a killer of his brothers.
iamananathemadevice@aussie.zone 6 months ago
I suggest you go work on your narcissistic personality disorder some more, and stop being a dick.
Zagorath@aussie.zone 6 months ago
The article is, for the most part, actually quite good. But it makes a few key mistakes, and the inflammatory title is exemplary of this.
The Ode is not meant to glorify the actions of the soldiers who died. It’s supposed to remember their lives and the fact that they died.
A certain very vocal section of Australian society uses ANZAC Day as a glorification of war and of our soldiers, but that is not the day’s intent. It is supposed to be a sombre reminder of why we shouldn’t throw away our soldiers’ lives. It comes at it from a different angle, but ultimately supports the same conclusion this author wants to reach.
lodion@aussie.zone 6 months ago
I disagree. Its a deliberately inflammatory and offensive. I only leave the post here as responses such as this one have value.
maegul@lemmy.ml 6 months ago
Haven’t read the article and generally not a fan of ANZAC day …
But something I appreciate and like to point out is that the Melbourne war memorial is very much a tomb, literally based on the original mausoleum. It is in many ways an undeniably sad and somber place. I’m sure many find heroism there, perhaps through Australia’s culture war of the ANZACS, but it’s fairly hard to unsee the tomb once you see it IMO.
maegul@lemmy.ml 6 months ago
Ok, read the article, and liked it. I personally don’t know what interactions transpired between the allies and post-war Türkiye, which seems to be a glaring hole given the focus on post war reparations policy in Germany, but still the point is well made that lionising those of the past without any appreciation of their cultural context gets pretty dumb. Moreover when any discourse on what is to be learnt about war is excluded.
The mention of Pankhurst was on point too. Back on the Melbourne war memorial, I was pleased to see an exhibit on her in their new-ish museum.
Grail@aussie.zone 6 months ago
The moment that we allow the present day armed forces to participate in the ANZAC day parade, what intent you claim was once there is lost. You cannot say that war is bad, and that we should not have soldiers sailing to foreign lands to kill people, and at the same time permit the minions of Dictator Charles to parade around in their dress uniforms. Many of those soldiers marching today participated in the forever war in the middle east. They did not learn their lesson from Gallipoli. All those ANZAC day parades, year after year, and they did not learn. They will never learn so long as the present day military is permitted at ANZAC day, glorifying the violent institution that they inherently are. That very vocal section who glorifies death and violence are the same people organising, participating in, and attending the parades. Anyone who learned their lesson either stayed home today, or protested.
CTDummy@lemm.ee 6 months ago
-Source, my feelings.
Countless people participate to acknowledge the efforts and sacrifices of those who died serving their country. Even when we were taught about it in schools the focal points were sacrifice and mateship of those that served and still serve. Present day service members also attend to acknowledge those that came before them. Plenty of it is nationalistic nuthugging but your willingness to just make up generalisation and whatever claims to suit your point is frankly just gross.
iamananathemadevice@aussie.zone 6 months ago
Mate, you’re being inflammatory for inflammatory’s sake now, and downvoting everyone who doesn’t agree with every word of your precious article is just childish. If you want people to think about the matter, then scolding them for wrong think is counterproductive.