Comment on Imperialism, authoritarianism and oppression is bad all around m'kay

• zeca@lemmy.eco.br ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  your conditions are too specific. what the US did to Iraq, Vietnam, Korea,… is already bad enough. But these dont qualify because they arent neighbors of the us, and the intentions arent exactly what you listed. still, these are already bad enough.

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  • Ganbat@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    I absolutely love the part where you guys are all so vocal about “but the US did this and this” but have literally nothing to say about @mydude@lemmy.world up there acting like Russia and North Korea are perfect little saints while actively trying to wipe out civilians.

    Just Tankie Things™️

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    • zeca@lemmy.eco.br ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      dont blame me for the opinions of someone else. Just note how hipocritical you sound by dismissing criticism of the us while criticizing russia. Why not both?

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    • Binette@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      I don’t know much about Russia or north Korea’s history, but I will not stand for the whitewashing of US crimes. It’s an insult their indigenous people, Vietnam and the middle east to suggest that the US had no implications in imperial projects.

      jUsT tAnKiE tHiNgS go fuck yourself

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      • Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Fun fact: Wikipedia openly states that 150,000 more tons of bombs were dropped on the Korean peninsula than the entire pacific front in WWII.

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      • Ganbat@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Nice try putting words in my mouth, fuckhead. Things like Vietnam weren’t even being discussed until the tankies in this thread tried to use them as a tool to deflect from ongoing atrocities. But hey, if you’re down with bombing children’s hospitals and apartments, you do you I guess. But maybe you should try learning to fucking read before picking a side and accusing people, dipshit.

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    • TheOubliette@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      So you have no defense for your selective defense of US imperialism and lash out at others when it is noted.

      Anarchist instance btw

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      • Ganbat@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Selectively defends by accusing others of selective defence when they accuse you of selective defence

        Fucking lmao

        Anarchist instance

        DOUBLE LMAO

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• Binette@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  How do you think the US was created lol?

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• TurboHarbinger@feddit.cl ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Of course the US citizens won’t agree with this, so their government has to do it somewhere else, so the US could wash their hands. Funnily enough, last time someone did this, a CEO was murdered to get accountability.

  This kind of crap is another level of hypocrisy.

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• TheOubliette@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Fools get downvotes here. When the US launches a violent offensive directly on a neighboring independent country with the intent of destroying its people and conquering its land, which NK and Russia are currently trying to do, maybe you’ll have a point.

  “Neighbor” is doing all of the work here, as the US had pushed its frontiers far away from itself for about a century. Of course the US has actually invaded:

  • Canada
  • Mexico
  • Cuba
  • Guatemala
  • Puerto Rico
  • Haiti
  • Hawaii
  • Grenada

  [More but I don’t feel like compiling the full list]

  And some of those in the last half century or so!

  Of course, if you remove the morally meaningless qualifier of “neighbor”, your point goes entirely out the window. I think this is obvious to everyone, including you, so really the question is why the need to lie to yourself about US imperialism? Why downplay it in bad faith?

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  • Ganbat@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Ignores the point of my comment

    Hyperfocuses on one tiny detail

    .ml username

    What a shock. “Neighbor” was never an important detail, and only someone struggling to string together some type of deflection from the point would focus so deeply on it. The point, as is abundantly clear to anyone with a couple of braincells to rub together, is that these countries are doing that now, as in at this moment, and are targeting civilians, which the person in responding to gladly ignored with their “but no, everyone says Russia is bad” bullshit.

    And you have the gall to accuse me of making a bad faith argument. Once again, pathetic.

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    • TheOubliette@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      “Neighbor” was never an important detail, and only someone struggling to string together some type of deflection from the point would focus so deeply on it.

      Neighbor is the only qualifier that makes your claim arguably true for, say, 30-40 years. You included it yourself, I didn’t make you so it. If you get rid of the term “neigbor”, you are simply wrong.

      Instead of running away from it and trying to blame me for noticing, you could just acceot where I am correct and try to synthesize.

      You will get into conflicts and be consistently wrong if this is how you respond to correction.

      The point, as is abundantly clear to anyone with a couple of braincells to rub together, is that these countries are doing that now, as in at this moment, and are targeting civilians, which the person in responding to gladly ignored with their “but no, everyone says Russia is bad” bullshit.

      That applies to several countries, including US-backed Israel and the US-backed reactionaries in Syria, which is why the term “neighbor” does so much work. And in providing that obfuscatory defense, you are doing the thing you claim others are doing, which is excusing and minimizing war and death on civilians.

      And you have the gall to accuse me of making a bad faith argument. Once again, pathetic.

      It requires very little gall. You are putting on quite the display at the moment with the flurry of insults and deflections.

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• 4ntiyankturds@lemmings.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  The US empowered fascsists all over the world, including in Russia. Yeltsin was a Washington bitch. Westoid are subhumans and I hope somebody nuke new york ahah imagine all the dead yanks whining in pain after their eyes popped out in the blast.

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• 4ntiyankturds@lemmings.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  The US just took part of syria with their ISIS friend you subhuman scum. Fuck you. When the war will come I hope we’ll put the warmongerers on the frontline.

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  • ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Yeah but those people aren’t white so it doesn’t count

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  • ManixT@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Russia and Iran are the only reasons Assad remained in power, where he gassed his own citizens with chemical weapons and tortured, murdered, and jailed political opponents or anyone suspected being as much.

    It seems to be a recurring theme with your shit countries. Threatening the world with nukes, instating the world’s worst and most oppressive dictatorships, arming African warlords to exploit gold mines to prop up your shitty nazi landgrab war, building bases on land that doesn’t belong to you and you weren’t invited too, and the list goes on and on.

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