Comment on Am I a bad person if (as left as they come) I invest in American Private Prison contractors on the assumption that Trump will go through with his deportation scheme at least to some extent?

• Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I think the difference is, you can CHOOSE not to invest in slave labor. If 100% of the clothes are made by slave labor, what are the other options? Be naked? You’ll get arrested, and now by US law, YOU’RE the slave labor.

  Whereas nothing is forcing you to invest in slavery.

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  • Steve@communick.news ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    But they aren’t all made by slave labor. You only have to spend 3-5x as much. Not a problem if you buy %80 less clothes.

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  • hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Whereas nothing is forcing you to invest in slavery.

    We all have to do something to survive.

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    • alquicksilver@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      If you have money to invest, you aren’t struggling to survive.

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      • Lauchs@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        You can invest money for your childrens future and still be struggling. Many people choose to forego a lot for their children but know investing for their education etc is a sacrifice they’ll make.

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    • IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      There are other industries that are very profitable to invest in, and is much less unethical.

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  • Lauchs@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Not 100% of clothes directly benefit slave labour. For the price conscious, there are thrift shops/second hand clothes almost everywhere and ethical clothes available online for a bit more (but generally less than brand name stuff that’s expensive and still made by child slaves.)

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• alquicksilver@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I don’t disagree with you that slave labor is bad regardless of who, what, where, how. I disagree, however, that there’s not much difference between purchasing products you need and investing in a business.

  Some folks can’t afford anything except cheap clothing/household goods from overseas, where they are often made in sweatshops with slave and/or child labor; it’s not their fault that they can’t afford to purchase ethical products. No one needs to invest in a business, though, so choosing to invest in one that deals in slavery is that investor’s fault.

  For those of us who can afford ethically-sourced/made items, though, I agree that it’s quite similar. I have no excuses other than people are, as a whole, not good to each other. :(

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  • Lauchs@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I fully excuse folks who are really struggling. Though given thrift shops are a dime a dozen, I don’t entirely think it’s a free pass.

    Sorry, this one just bugs me. I absolutely hate that our culture has this huge blind spot to the very real exploitation that so many people engage in but we’ll simultaneously get furious about sins that are, in comparison, fairly minor.

    Investing in something evil is reprehensible but I put it on about the same realm as buying an expensive slave made product. At least for the investment, maybe it’s for your kids or something rather than looking cool.

    Really appreciate the reasoned response though!

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• Grimy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Huge difference between not being able to afford the right thing, and being able to afford the right thing and instead investing in the really bad thing.

  Kind of like how I have to gas up but I would never invest in the oil industry.

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  • Lauchs@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    But there are non slave alternatives all over. For the price conscious, there are thrift shops, facebook marketplace etc. Otherwise, there’s tons of ethical clothing available online and if you live in a city, probably in some stores near You.

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    • Grimy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I agree and I think there isn’t much of an effort being made, but investing in it seems like it’s making an effort in the wrong direction.

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• IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Difference is, if you invest in Apple and find out they use slave labor, you are still primarily investing in a phone production industry. Investing in prison labor is just that, slave labor. A phone company can eventually stop using slave labor, but prison labor is always slave labor.

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