Comment on Why do we use the term Ban when it's temporary? Why not the more accurate, Suspension?
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
Your definitions seem to explain it already.
A ban bars you from entry into a space. A temporary ban temporarily bars you from entry into a space. A Lemmy community in this instance is the space you are being barred from entering.
Either way you have been barred from entry, just some are short term, not all are permanent.
I think it is just semantics and you are overthinking it.
Steve@communick.news 3 weeks ago
But the word for a temporary ban, is suspend, not ban.
Every time I hear about a ban, I have to take a moment and remind myself and ask: “Do they mean ban or suspend?”
It’s annoying. I’m hoping there’s a good reason for it.
conciselyverbose@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
They’re not synonymous.
You don’t suspend a customer from a bar, temporarily or permanently. Suspension implies membership, or access being limited. Your membership to a club can be suspended. Your access to Walmart can’t be. You’re banned from the store, whether for a year or a lifetime. As there’s no barrier to entry, it doesn’t make sense to suspend the privilege of access.
This is all ignoring that banning a person from a limited access club is also perfectly fine, because the definition of ban is applicable either way. There aren’t really many situations where suspension would be valid but ban wouldn’t. Maybe some small subset of privileges could be suspended where “ban” is a little weird, because general access is still permitted.
But temporary ban makes perfect sense. (Ignoring that it’s been standard terminology for 30 years.)
Steve@communick.news 3 weeks ago
That’s what I explained. “a Temporary Ban, is Suspend, not Ban.”
That’s the only thing it makes sense to suspend. What else would you suspend? (excluding the meaning of hanging something up)
conciselyverbose@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
A temporary ban is a ban.
You could suspend specific privileges within a club, without suspending all access. That’s the only case where suspension would make sense where ban would be odd.
You can’t “suspend” access when access is available to the general public. You suspend a privilege that’s not the default. It doesn’t make sense to suspend something that is the default. Taking away access requires proactively preventing it, not removing a membership.
can@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
I’ve been temporarily banned in real life before. I had a sip of a friend’s drink at the campus bar while I was underage and they banned me for a year.
scarabic@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
A lot of bans are permanent. The word is used inclusively. At the moment you are banning someone, you may not especially care to reassure them it will only be temporary. No, it doesn’t bother me as it seems to bother you.
Steve@communick.news 2 weeks ago
That makes sense. Thank you for giving an actual answer.