Comment on Voter ID in England led to racial and disability discrimination, report finds

• SirQuackTheDuck@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

  I’ve had voter ID for as long as I know, and I’ve been with my parents to vote very often (good educating on their part).

  It’s never been an issue, you bring your ID, your voter ticket (which gets sent to you by the govt) and cast a vote. No racism issues there.

  It seems the UK has somehow fucked it up.

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  • PunnyName@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

    And yet, it would be even less of “never been an issue” to have it in the first place. Shocking!

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  • ReCursing@kbin.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

    That would be the tories for you, yes

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• Double_A@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

  How is that secure though? I could easily figure out that information for people of my gender and in my age range…

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  • snooggums@kbin.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

    And yet, nobody was doing that and the system was working.

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  • Tippon@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

    So what do you do? Do you turn up and give the details for Double_A, vote, then turn around and pretend that you’re now me, for example?

    Or do you spend the day travelling around to different polling booths hoping that the person you’ve chosen from that area hasn’t voted yet, or that they nobody will make a fuss when it turns out they’re trying to vote twice?

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    • Aux@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

      You get a bus full of old people, tour them around the city and tell them ID data to cast votes. Works like a charm for Putin. Voting without a passport is absurd.

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      • Tippon@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

        It works for Putin because anyone who disobeys him mysteriously falls out of a window.

        Again, in this scenario, what happens when the actual voter turns up? You conveniently ignored that part of my post.

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    • Double_A@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

      Yes that, but very early so the chance is high that I vote before the real guy.

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      • snooggums@kbin.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

        When they prove they are the real guy you get busted for voter fraud. Congratulations.

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      • Tippon@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

        So in your scenario, what happens if the person has already voted, or cast a postal vote? Or what happens when they turn up later? Do you think that they’re just dismissed, or do you think that someone’s going to investigate the fraud?

        You clearly haven’t thought this through.

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      • PunnyName@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

        And then you commit voter fraud and get the appropriate punishment.

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  • scootinfroody@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨years⁩ ago

    It isn’t, but that actually isn’t really a problem. The information required to pose and steal a single voter’s vote is pretty easy to come by. But it’s an absolutely terrible way to steal an election, simply because it doesn’t scale well.

    While it is relatively simple and probably a low enough risk to steal a single vote, realistically to flip enough votes to guarantee a desired result you would need to do this several hundred or possibly even thousands of times. There are only so many disguises you can use or polling stations you can go to within an election constituency before you get caught. Also, there’s the time constraint involved. You need to do all this in the span of 12-18 hours on a single day. An individual cannot manage this by themselves.

    So now you need to scale up your operation, so you enlist a whole bunch of people to split the vote stealing with. Now you have a conspiracy which is a huge risk to discovery, and also likely carries a more harsh punishment should you be discovered. Nobody is going to steal an election this way.

    It is much easier to steal an election by targeting a later step of the process, either by compromising the integrity of the ballot boxes via corrupting election officials, or in areas where electronic voting takes place (not the UK) manipulating the tabulation of the votes somehow. In countries where democracy is valued, these steps of the process are hardened quite significantly, with multiple safeguards to prevent tampering.

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