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Mastodon is gatekept to hell and back, the technicalities of federation are exposed to the user for some reason (you already lose half your potential user base right there), infighting between instances means that you won’t see the entire discourse of a post depending on which instance you’re at…

And besides all that, bsky is not as “corpo” as mastodon fanboys make it out to be. They’re on track to open up to privately hosted instances as well, and you can already run most of their backend stuff yourself.

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proton_lynx@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
As much as I like the ‘decentralized’ stuff, the technical part of federation should NEVER be exposed to the end user if you want the platform to be mainstream. I still don’t understand why a lot of federated projects think it’s a good idea to expose that to the end user.

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- simplejack@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  Whenever Lemmy or Masto gets a flood of new users, a portion of them never make it past the instance selection and totally bail.
  
  The user experience was designed by people who literally respond to user feedback by telling users to commit new code to the project.
  
  It’s clearly designed by engineers who assume other users will be just like them.
  
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  - jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    This of the core of the problem. Github energy.
    
    Fine for a hobby. Not good enough for a public-facing product.
    
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    P4ulin_Kbana@lemmy.eco.br ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Now take all of these replies. THIS is what they don’t understand. All of these replies tell exactly how I feel about this.
    
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    simplejack@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    The project was started as an architectural thought experiment, not with the goals and limitations of the end user.
    
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  - naught101@lemmy.world ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    If bluesky ever becomes actually federated, won’t it have the same problem?
    
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    Carighan@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Probably not. Currently it seems on track that you’re always first on their main instance. If you’re technically inclined you could then start hosting a federated part yourself (or joining one), but this does not change that the actual entry experience is exactly the same as on Twitter, hence why transition is so insanely smooth and painless.
    
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    Bongles@lemm.ee ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    The way sign up currently is, probably not. It would still default to bsky.social and your average person isn’t going to think about it.
    
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Trekman10@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
I think a lot of the attitude I saw on mastodon about this like a year ago was one of suspicion that they wanted an open network but didn’t use the fediverse standard

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- Cyborg@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  I assume the main reason is that ActivityPub is a mess and quite overcomplicated for bsky’s needs. Being permanently tied to it seems like a big risk. There’s no reason why they couldn’t make a compatibility layer later and hook into it.
  
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- Carighan@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Which AFAIK isn’t a standard, so… 🤷
  
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  - ominouslemon@lemm.ee ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    ActivityPub is a W3C standard, though.
    
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    Carighan@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Oh I dis not know that! Interesting! Thanks for the correction.
    
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