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I just don’t understand how you can “fee” Yellowstone or the Grand Canyon. Those places are huge.

You have a booth on every road?

I don’t believe there’s a single place like that in Finland, what with our everymans rights

Everyman’s rights are the right of every person to use nature regardless of who owns or controls the land. The use of nature within the limits set under the everyman’s rights therefore does not require the permission of the landowner and using the rights does not cost anything.

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Death_Equity@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Yellowstone has limited access by road, but you could hike into it.

The Grand Canyon has visitor’s centers and a few established areas with infrastructure for various activities, but you could hike to it, but getting into the canyon is another matter.

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sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
Yup, for Yellowstone, that’s 3 entrances, so three sets of booths. It’s largely to cut down on traffic (traffic gets really bad as-is) and maintain the infrastructure.

The only reason you’d go to any of the entrances is to visit the park, there are no through roads or anything, and it’s like an hour or two from the major highways, and several hours from a city larger than 10k people (aside from the tourism towns just outside the park). And the traffic to get into the park is backed up for an hour in the morning for people looking to get lucky with extra passes (there’s a maximum capacity).

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- Dasus@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  It’s genuinely hard to imagine how large America is.
  
  And Finland isn’t one of the tiny Central-European countries.
  
  Driving from Fresno to Yellowstone is pretty much the distance it is to drive from where I live (Southern end of Finland) to the Northern end of Finland.
  
  But yeah at the Northern end in Lapland it starts getting more like that, only a few roads going to the larger national parks. Here in the South you can just go around anything really, there’s backroads and footpaths everywhere. Like no matter how deep in the woods I go, I’d feel awkward taking a shit, since there’s always some dogwalkers to be met.
  
  This makes me want to go hiking up North.
  
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  - sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    There are areas like that here too. I live next to a few mountains where there see dozens of interconnected trails all largely accessible from an intercity arterial bike path, with free parking near the more popular entrances to the trail network. Much of it is federal land (part of a national forest), but none of it is designated as a national park.
    
    Maybe there’s a two terminology difference here. Here’s the terms we use:
    
    national park - has ranger stations and infrastructure, and usually an entrance fee
    
    state park - same as national park, but at the state level, and lower fees (often free)
    
    regional park - owned either by the state, county, or city, but isn’t designated as a “state park”; may or may not have parking fees, depending on popularity and how developed it is (esp near urban areas)
    
    national forest - designated area, but generally little infrastructure outside of some campgrounds (paid) and semi-curated trails; no entrance/parking fees
    
    BLM land - federally owned, but virtually no infrastructure and no fees; avoid hiking during hunting season so you don’t get mistaken for game
    
    undeveloped state land - like BLM land, but owned by the state
    
    Most of the trails I’m talking about are in the last 3 groups, and they’re all free. Yellowstone, Grand Canyon, and Glacier are all in the first group and all have entrance fees. If you’re “going hiking,” you’ll go on the last four, and the first two are for vacations unless you happen to live right next to one.
    
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    Dasus@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    Oh. I think for us the first three would be hiking and the last four would just be walking.
    
    But yeah, there’s definitely a difference of terminology, seeing as there’s two completely different languages. But I do take your point.
    
    I don’t know about any trails that have bike paths leading up to them though. I mean, unless you count a road as a bike path. It’s just very much more organic here, you’ve made it into a whole thing that can be used for profit, it seems like. The infrastructure to ours, like duckboards and whatnot are paid for by taxes, but our taxation policies are quite different so we won’t get into that, lol.
    
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