Comment on Dear Americans, be prepare to get screwed!
Yokozuna@lemmy.world 1 month agoThese people have no concept of geo politics and global trade. For example, we produce a lot of the world’s soy, that’s a major export, not many other countries do it on a large scale like that - so we cut the other countries some slack and tell them we won’t produce this particular good so you can have a hand in the global economy. Yes having the production here would be ideal as I’m all for it, but the world is so much more than Murica and they can’t see past their fucking noses.
ElegantBiscuit@lemm.ee 1 month ago
It’s way, way more than that. Specialization and comparative advantage underpins the entire globalized economy which is the only way to allow us to get more for the same amount of labor. Without it, we simply regress. US farmers grow soybeans so that Chinese manufactures can make the tractors to allow the US farmers to grow the soybeans, and that only works with free trade. And in this scenario there is no one else making a tractor for anywhere near the same cost, and no one else who can grow such a large volume of soybeans, otherwise the trade probably wouldn’t be happening in the first place. And so the alternative is that both countries have to make both independently. And that is more expensive without the efficiencies of economy of scale, more expensive because of lower supply because we don’t have the capacity to produce that many tractors and China can’t grow that many soybeans, and more expensive because of the infrastructure costs being duplicated and spread out over less units. And so we both end up with less tractors and less food that are more expensive. Now add in petrochemical fertilizers imported from Canada, steel and coal for the metal used in the tractor imported from Australia, all the industries that support them also getting caught into this, and where every one of those companies is tied into their regional, national, and the global economy. And that is just for tractors and soybeans.
We trade for almost everything. And every single item that we trade, we do so because it is cheaper than making it ourselves. Tariffs are an artificial tax on efficiency, and we are literally less prosperous with them in place. Some things are a matter of national security, of not allowing a foreign government leverage over your society, but we’re talking about his genius plan to put tariffs on literally fucking everything - soybeans and tractors, but also clothing, toys, electronics, appliances, vehicles, on and on and on. And a tariff on it will increase the price, because that is just how economics works.
commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
we could have a more robust economy where we do make everything and they make everything and nothing needs to be more expensive, if we just let it be less profitable
RidderSport@feddit.org 1 month ago
There are chinese tractor companies? I only know US, Italian, French or German tractor companies.
ElegantBiscuit@lemm.ee 1 month ago
I specifically looked it up just to be sure, John Deere does have multiple factories in China and a good amount of their website wording includes “assembled in USA”, sort of like cars and appliances and a lot of things, usually to get around existing tariffs and import duties. They do also have factories in Germany, Mexico, india, and of course multiple in the USA, but I kept it simple for the sake of the explanation, because China also does produce a lot of soybeans as well.
commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
this is not very scientific.
HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world 1 month ago
No, but its exactly correct in a short sentence. Science wishes it could be that exact.
Please tell me any way a tax, an additional cost added on to something could lower the price.
commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
it’s not casual
starman2112@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
The cost of getting the goods to consumers goes up. Does the consumer pay:
A) More
B) Less
C) The same
This election was decided by the majority of people in this country not being able to answer this very simple question
commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
why did the cost go up? what other variables are at play?