Comment on "The American experiment endures," Biden said. "We're going to be OK."

• scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  That’s what I’ve come around to. It’s not him. He’s a figurehead that we apply blame but it’s not. It’s the people - the public. They want this. They have the fear and the hate, they actively want it. If America didn’t want him, they wouldn’t have voted him in. Even with tampering/whatever, if America didn’t, he wouldn’t be there. But America does want him, and that’s a very sobering and sad thought to me. I try to live with a simple code - do what you want, as long as it doesn’t hurt others. I learned yesterday that most American’s don’t have similar values.

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  • m_f@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    IMO that’s way off base. People want change. They know they’re getting screwed, and the grifter is promising change. He’s lying and I think most people know that, but the fact that they’d take a convicted felon over what the DNC offered up is a crushing repudiation.

    Bernie would’ve mopped the floor with Trump, because he also offers change. Someone like Obama would’ve too, even though there was a paucity of actual change during his terms.

    We need to drag the DNC kicking and screaming off of the corporate dick it’s sucking, and get it left enough to offer real change, and people will vote for it in droves.

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    • Stovetop@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Part of me blames the collective memory loss of the COVID years and a complete lack of understanding of cause and effect.

      It’s like everyone forgot there was this massive global pandemic which absolutely killed entire industries. And even though the important parts were propped up during the lean times by government support, that support ended eventually, with the economy still a mess that couldn’t just be put back together like nothing happened.

      I mean, people at that time didn’t even have a concept of what was going on. They have no idea how much money was spent keeping the lights on. People collectively lost their shit over the billions it would cost to forgive student loans, but had no idea how many more billions were spent on—and abused by—businesses whose pandemic loans were forgiven by the government.

      Everyone forgot the pandemic was only as bad as it was in the US because it was so completely mishandled by the Trump administration. We could have had everything back to normal a lot sooner if there was even a little bit of national preparedness, not to mention if we didn’t have all the misinformation spread by his own administration.

      So when the economy goes to shit in 2021-2022 during the Biden administration, people shrug their shoulders and put blame on the old man in the white house, despite the fact that it’s on a recovery trend during this last year. And so Trump’s first year is going to start with stronger markets, he’ll get the credit, and then things will get worse just in time for someone else to take the blame for it.

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      • m_f@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        It doesn’t matter how well “the economy” recovered from Covid, when you see stuff like this:

        inequality.org/facts/income-inequality/

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        Trump isn’t going to fix that, but Biden already didn’t, and FPTP means you get your pick of those two options.

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    • AngryRobot@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      How is voting for a literal past president any kind of change? America chose hate and blame this week.

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      • m_f@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        He will bring lots of change. None of it good, but the DNC should view that as a crushing repudiation of their approach. They can’t even blame the Electoral College, they fucked up that badly. Hopefully they’ll learn a goddamn thing or two and run someone offering positive change.

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• NOT_RICK@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  I’ve tried talking to trumpers to point out the double standards, contradictions, and outright lies. They don’t listen, just ad hominem or whatabout out of it.

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  • Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    So much whatabout. Are they actually convincing themselves this way, or do they realize it’s stupid but just don’t have anything else to say?

    Trump sexually assaulted people and was convicted of fraud.

    Whatabout Hillary’s emails and Hunters laptop?

    First off, those people aren’t running for president AND it’s not fucking RAPE AND FRAUD!!!

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• toasteecup@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  I’ve tried talking and that doesn’t work, I’ve also tried being kind and all that shit no dice. But everyone gets upset when I say let’s shoot them, so please tell me more about how it’s my fault.

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  • Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I’ll say it for you. Thomas Crooks was THIS close to being an American hero.

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• realitista@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Republicans actively work for an uneducated population they can rule. That’s the root of this problem.

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  • Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    The research is out, more educated people are more likely to vote Democrat, but if you ever point that out, all you get back is “I know YOU are, but what am I?”

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