Comment on Serious statement: I don't understand the argument that not voting for Harris was the morally correct thing to do, because of Gaza. Why does anyone believe this?

FenrirIII@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

• minnow@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Radicals ruin everything.

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  • LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Thing is you can actually be radical. In a healthy democracy you need some small fringes to exert pressure, e.g. civil right activist groups and so on so that the government isn’t able to just completely ignore portions of the population.

    But to be effective as an activist you have to know when to put on pressure and when to unite. Malcolm X or Fred Hampton didn’t go vote for David Duke just because MLK was a pacifist.

    This was the wrong time to pressure because as always activists dramatically misread the levels of actual support for their cause and dramatically underestimate how much support the general populace gives the opposition.

    Most people don’t even agree on the very basic facts of reality or that such a thing can even exist, how tf are you gonna expect to convince them of anything? What you gonna write some long post on it? Good luck - they cannot read.

    Humanity is just a dogshit species. To even agree that we shouldn’t stab ourselves in our proverbial balls with a proverbial milwaukee power drill - it takes like generations and most people are always for the status quo and the worst possible version of everything is the default we have to work from and with, it’s just a cruel joke.

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    • jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      It was absolutely the correct time to pressure. Harris/dnc/biden miscalculated.

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      • LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Huh? You really think that if they caved on Palestine they would’ve won?

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  • steal_your_face@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Only a radical speaks in absolutes

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    • ContrarianTrail@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      …is an absolute statement in itself.

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• freebee@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Only in a two-party system. Locked in a two party system is the death of it. At least introduce multiple rounds, two democratically elect the 2 contestants in the final round…

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  • octopus_ink@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Only in a two-party system.

    So you mean - like the system this election took place within?

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• scarabic@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Sometimes being a single issue voter happens because people just care that much about that one issue. But there’s a natural tendency for anyone’s decision to come down to one thing. Complex issues are complex, most people don’t know what’s right. But then they do have ONE thing that they consider black-and-white, so that influences their choice. It gives them something they feel they can say to others “I just can’t bring myself to vote for someone who XYZ…”

  Because let’s face it: no one wants to hear your entire list of political calculations. People’s choices are absolutely influenced by thoughts of how they’ll justify themselves to the people they know. And having one big pithy thing to say is more convenient than a subtle position based on a score of factors.

  Humans are social, emotional, idiosyncratic shortcut machines, not logic engines.

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