People like to split Genesis into Peter Gabriel and Phil Collins eras, but the truth is that Genesis should be split into Steve Hackett vs Tony Banks. Hackett’s departure from Genesis was the final nail in the Genesis prog-coffin and it’s when the band started shifting from prog to pop.
The composition shift becomes obvious when you compare The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway, Trick of the Tail and Wind & Wuthering with albums like …And Then There Were Three, ABACAB and Duke. The former group, consisting of a “Gabriel” album + the first two “Collins” albums, sound very similar; enough so that I’ve seen people mistakenly associate Trick of the Tail and Wind & Wuthering with Gabriel despite being voiced by Phil Collins. This is because Hackett’s guitar was still present and Gabriel, planning for the possibility of his departure, had been singing with Collins backing him, so the vocal shift wasn’t as obvious.
Meanwhile, the latter group (…and Then There Were Three, ABACAB and Duke) came after Hackett’s departure and are much more synth driven. Furthermore, they begin to shift to a more pop-driven sound as Tony Banks’ synths take over and no longer need to share the soundstage with Hackett’s guitar.
As such, the Gabriel-Collins debate is misframed and should instead be Hackett-Banks.
That said, I thoroughly enjoy most of Genesis’ releases, even including Invisible Touch and We Can’t Dance (though I’ve never tried to listen to From Genesis to Revelation or Calling All Stations). Treat Hackett and Banks’ albums like separate bands that just coincidentally happen to share the same name and band members, and you’ll enjoy them way more.
Not really, Genesis was one of my favorite bands growing up, and they still have some of my favorite albums. I knew it was just a meme, but I couldn’t pass up a chance to share my opinion on the Gabriel vs Collins debate lol
people mistakenly associate Trick of the Tail and Wind & Wuthering with Gabriel despite being voiced by Phil Collins
Just saw an interview with Peter Gabriel where he said people come up to him almost daily and tell him how they much they loved Trick of the Tail. He just had this defeated look on his face when he said he had to keep telling them that was Phil and not him.
Many years ago, I had the pleasure of being at a table at a con next to the late Richard Hatch. The con was pretty disappointing in terms of turn-out, so I kept him cracking up all day.
When people came up to his table and go, “you’re uh… uh…” I would lean over to them and say quietly, “don’t call him Dirk Benedict. He hates that.”
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 months ago
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MossyFeathers@pawb.social 4 months ago
People like to split Genesis into Peter Gabriel and Phil Collins eras, but the truth is that Genesis should be split into Steve Hackett vs Tony Banks. Hackett’s departure from Genesis was the final nail in the Genesis prog-coffin and it’s when the band started shifting from prog to pop.
The composition shift becomes obvious when you compare The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway, Trick of the Tail and Wind & Wuthering with albums like …And Then There Were Three, ABACAB and Duke. The former group, consisting of a “Gabriel” album + the first two “Collins” albums, sound very similar; enough so that I’ve seen people mistakenly associate Trick of the Tail and Wind & Wuthering with Gabriel despite being voiced by Phil Collins. This is because Hackett’s guitar was still present and Gabriel, planning for the possibility of his departure, had been singing with Collins backing him, so the vocal shift wasn’t as obvious.
Meanwhile, the latter group (…and Then There Were Three, ABACAB and Duke) came after Hackett’s departure and are much more synth driven. Furthermore, they begin to shift to a more pop-driven sound as Tony Banks’ synths take over and no longer need to share the soundstage with Hackett’s guitar.
As such, the Gabriel-Collins debate is misframed and should instead be Hackett-Banks.
That said, I thoroughly enjoy most of Genesis’ releases, even including Invisible Touch and We Can’t Dance (though I’ve never tried to listen to From Genesis to Revelation or Calling All Stations). Treat Hackett and Banks’ albums like separate bands that just coincidentally happen to share the same name and band members, and you’ll enjoy them way more.
NegativeLookBehind@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Patrick Bateman, is that you?
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 months ago
You may possibly have taken my joke slightly too seriously.
MossyFeathers@pawb.social 4 months ago
Not really, Genesis was one of my favorite bands growing up, and they still have some of my favorite albums. I knew it was just a meme, but I couldn’t pass up a chance to share my opinion on the Gabriel vs Collins debate lol
ummthatguy@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Patrick Bateman energy.
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ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Just saw an interview with Peter Gabriel where he said people come up to him almost daily and tell him how they much they loved Trick of the Tail. He just had this defeated look on his face when he said he had to keep telling them that was Phil and not him.
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Many years ago, I had the pleasure of being at a table at a con next to the late Richard Hatch. The con was pretty disappointing in terms of turn-out, so I kept him cracking up all day.
When people came up to his table and go, “you’re uh… uh…” I would lean over to them and say quietly, “don’t call him Dirk Benedict. He hates that.”
Thanks for bringing up a fun memory.
xx3rawr@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
I ain’t reading all of that but here’s an upvote
zante@slrpnk.net 4 months ago
Blew me away