it isn’t produced by animal bodies
Sure is, it’s concentrated bee spit with sugar. And spit is made of water and body cells.
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SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social 3 weeks ago
Kinda tongue-in-cheek questions, but: Honey isn’t an animal body part, it isn’t produced by animal bodies, so if it is an animal product because bees process it, is wheat flour (for example) an animal product because humans process it? How about hand-kneaded bread? Does that make fruit an animal product because the bees pollinated the flowers while collecting the nectar?
MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Think about it as if its about consent. The bees don’t consent to their honey being taken. Cows don’t consent to be repeatedly impregnated and milked. Pigs don’t consent to their butts becoming bacon. Chickens don’t consent to their eggs being taken.
However, the miller and the baker both consented to milling/kneading, and later selling their wares.
Human breast milk can be vegan, though, if given freely. If you forcefully take human breast milk, then it is no longer vegan.
3dogsinatrenchcoat@slrpnk.net 3 weeks ago
Can human meat be vegan?
Willy@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
if think so but once they get to the age of consent they are probably not very palatable.
JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Technically, yes.
Assuming the canabee is consenting freely, and likely has to be done in a way not violating other laws. Like some variety of a pain kink where people slice of small portions of each others meaty bits and eatting them. That’s probably a thing, though likely not so among vegans.
OrnateLuna@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
Well basically yes, tho would need to get into the topic of exploitation and all that if we are talking about if something is viewed as acceptable to consume.
Droggelbecher@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Bees make honey for their hive. Honey also does indeed contain bodily fluids from the bees.
The bread making human consents to you taking the bread (presumably). Breast milk and other human bodily fluids can be vegan for the same reason.
And insects pollinate plants not because they use the fruit, but for the nectar. They don’t care what happens after they leave the flower.
clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
“and other bodily fluids”
Droggelbecher@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I didn’t want to go into it in the original comment, but yes. It is a relevant debate whether it’s vegan to swallow another humans semen, or even saliva. And yes, it is, if the human consents. Consent is the more or less the basis of whether vegans find it moral to consume something. Humans can give consent to sharing their fluids. Other animals cannot.