You need the passing of the torch, because the idea of Captain America can’t die. Expecting the current team at marvel to properly handle such a thing though, is the real problem.
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li10@feddit.uk 1 week ago
I remember watching the passing the torch moment and just thinking “really? why? Just say captain America is retired”
It is literally an irreplaceable character… especially doesn’t help that the replacement was previously “just some guy” in the other movies.
ryathal@sh.itjust.works 1 week ago
themeatbridge@lemmy.world 1 week ago
The “why” is because that’s what happened in the comics, and it was a huge deal. Black Captain America was as divisive on the page as it was on the screen, but not giving Wilson the shield would have been a major deviation from the source material, one that looks a lot like caving to pressure from racists.
In my opinion, they shouldn’t have tried to do a pure standalone Captain America movie. It should have been worked into the Secret Wars event, and filled with additional Marvel characters, similar to the Captain America: Civil War treatment. In the comics, Sam Wilson deals with major insecurity and imposter syndrome. Shit, that would have been a great subtitle for a Secret Wars story. Captain America: Imposter Syndrome. Following the events of FatWS, Sam is struggling with the weight of the shield, and then Fury and Talos come to him for help with the Skrulls. They can’t trust any other Avemgers, not Rhoady, not Thunderbolt, not anyone at SWORD. And then Wilson, with no superpowers, has to duke it out and prove himself against the Super Skrull with all the powers of the Avengers.
And he can’t, because he’s just one guy, but he keeps getting back up. And that’s when he remembers that Steve’s superpower wasn’t strength or speed or intelligence, or even the shield. Captain America was resilience, defiance, and inspiration personified. That’s what the world needs against an unseen, invasive threat. People need hope, courage, and leadership. And that’s when people rally to help Sam defeat the Super Skrull, regular soldiers and coexisting Skrulls, maybe hint that Eli Bradley inherited some super from his Grampa. And Nick Fury can have his final blaze of glory before officially definitely for the last time no cap retiring.
zod000@lemmy.ml 1 week ago
Congrats, you’re already a much better screen writers than anyone at Marvel.
paddirn@lemmy.world 1 week ago
This would’ve been so much better than Secret Invasion. That’s the show that made me cancel my D+ subscription because I was so mad at how goddamn stupid it was. Skrulls in general have just been bungled by the MCU since their introduction in Capt. Marvel. I looked forward to them, but now I just really can’t stand anything about them.
realcaseyrollins@thelemmy.club 1 week ago
I’m a completionist to an extent so I’m watching everything Marvel, but even I wish I could unwatch Secret Invasion.
paddirn@lemmy.world 1 week ago
I had been a completionist up until about that point, but just thinking about how poorly written it was just started making me angry, it reminded me of the decline of Game of Thrones. It’s like this writing style of “Things Just Happen”. There’s no point to any one scene, other than to setup some other scene or contrived conflict. It’s as if each character’s history is completely ignored, all logic just goes completely out the window, and nothing in the show really matters. It started feeling insulting to watch it, like, “Who the fuck thought this was a good idea?”
I think Secret Invasion could’ve been amazing had it been the culmination of something that had been brewing for awhile, not the beginning/middle/end in one show and not for some stupid contrived plot about earth-bound Nick Fury failing to find the skrulls a planet (Capt. Marvel can apparently do no wrong). It needn’t have been quite ‘Infinity War level’, but maybe had they shown different characters being taken over one at a time in different movies/shows and create this genuine atmosphere of paranoia where you’re like, “Who the fuck is a skrull?”, it could’ve all come to a head in Secret Invasion and been a bit more impactful. IMO the problem started with Capt. Marvel, they completely botched it by making the Skrulls into good guys, just to “subvert expectations”. They needed to keep the skrulls as villains for longer than half a movie and not waste our time with a bunch of jokey throwaway scenes in random movies/shows of Ben Mendelsohn being a funny quirky alien, it was such a waste of his talents. The MCU’s biggest problem has always been the villains, they’re just so underdeveloped and underutilized, when it’s the villains that can sometimes the most interesting thing about these movies/shows. Other than a handful of standout villains, MCU villains usually just end up being “Some guy/gal” and them dying at the end means absolutely nothing.
Teils13@lemmy.eco.br 1 week ago
I understand the comic universe had Sam Wilson as a much more relevant character, but the MCU was meant to be a separate story and try its own interpretations. The MCU eagle-man was just a secondary character that did not matter to the audiences, he could not be the successor.
It’s Bucky who should inherit the shield, not Sam. Bucky had a deep connection with Steve, is widely popular and beloved with the audience, and could have had a solo film with a good story dealing with this alone. I know he had a dark past with Shield manipulating him, but exactly because of these regrets and shaded past, a film showing him turning into a selfless heroe needing to prove to himself and others he can be a great captain america would be an apt transition for his character. Common people would love to see a more mature story with non black and white characters (like steve rogers), that still progresses Steve’s legacy.
themeatbridge@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Barnes did take on the mantle of Captain America following Rogers’ apparent death in 2008, but Rogers eventually gets better and returns. For a while they were both Captain America, but eventually Bucky’s identity as the Winter Soldier becomes public and he’s put on trial. He is acquitted, but gives up the mantle because he thinks his checkered past taints the symbol.
A few years later, Steve grows old and retires, and specifically picks Sam as his replacement. Sam wonders why it wasn’t Bucky, and spends most of his time as Cap trying to prove himself.
Teils13@lemmy.eco.br 1 week ago
Neat story, it is also good. But the MCU has showed tons of people with checkered pasts still giving their best and overcoming it, and audiences accepting it. Starting with Iron Man, the ex merchant of death, and going Bruce Banne with Hulk (to the in-universe people), Black widow, Loki (twice), Ant-man (ex thief), and probably others i dont remeber.