Of course Ilander is defending the cops.
How was the party room update? Dutton have anything interesting to say?
Comment on Protest photographer loses part of ear after being shot by rubber bullet
Ilandar@aussie.zone 3 months ago
The photographer, who was not wearing anything to cover his face, claims he was deliberately targeted by officers.
“It must have been targeted as I was standing well behind and not part of the main group. Usually, they shoot the rubber bullets at the lower body, not the upper body. If I was at the front or bending over, I could understand it,” he said.
He has covered up to one hundred rallies since October last year, posting photographs to the social media accounts of several Pro-Palestinian and human rights organisations.
A Victoria Police spokeswoman said: “There is absolutely no evidence to suggest police targeted any photographers.”
What’s that saying? “Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity”? I highly doubt the police were there with a plan to target photographers. It seems much more likely to me that a combination of a) poor training and b) heat of the moment stupid decision making is the reason why the officer fired in that manner.
Anyway, this is all just further evidence of why the escalation of protests from both sides is insanely stupid. Innocent people end up getting hurt when protestors decide to assault police and the police retaliate with disproportionate force:
Anti-war demonstrators hurled rocks, eggs, beer bottles and canned food at police, who responded with stun grenades, tear gas, pepper spray and rubber bullets during a series of skirmishes outside the Melbourne Convention and Exhibition Centre on Wednesday.
And every time a protest turns violent like this, it just makes it more likely that disproportionate force will be used in the future.
NaevaTheRat@vegantheoryclub.org 3 months ago
Gorgritch_umie_killa@aussie.zone 3 months ago
I don’t know, I feel like there was some unnecessary derision there.
I like this place because we have discussions, sometimes weeks long, about the subjects, not the users.
NaevaTheRat@vegantheoryclub.org 3 months ago
Got it, saying protestors should be targetted with indiscriminate chemical weapons = not being a dick. Pointing out that a particular user is calling for the sort of violence banned in the Geneva convention = being a dick.
Zagorath@aussie.zone 3 months ago
saying protestors deserve to be targetted with indiscriminate chemical weapons
Sorry, were we reading the same comment?
eureka@aussie.zone 3 months ago
The problem is the disproportionate force. The police should not be using those weapons. If an officer panicking goes this badly, we shouldn’t be blaming that officer or the protest. The problem is that police were firing bullets into a protest, at all. That this was a plan they had on the table for this situation, and they’re clearly happy with this plan.
Ilandar@aussie.zone 3 months ago
I agree, rubber bullets seem unnecessary even for a protest as violent as this one. But to say we shouldn’t place any blame on individuals over-simplifies the problem. There are multiple issues at play here, I don’t think you can just wave away the personal responsibility of the individuals involved.
eureka@aussie.zone 2 months ago
You’re right, I didn’t mean to say they’re not at fault for shooting people. What I meant to say was that we shouldn’t get tunnel-vision either and assume that officers just need better training or vetting to make sure they don’t miss or don’t shoot as early.