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EABOD25@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

Totally agree with you. During the issue , there were some people that had a backhanded way of asking what i meant when I said that Russia had no reason to invade Ukraine. So I said that Putin was trying to get his glorious USSR back. I wasn’t being literal, but the past 20 years shows that he has been trying to annex states that were previously under the USSR or at the very least keeping extremely close, controllable ties with them. I got ridiculed and belittled without further request of clarification. And I think it’s because they aren’t interested or they are under the Russian propaganda machine.

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Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

I got ridiculed and belittled without further request of clarification.

[Do you have any evidence of Putin wishing to reinstate the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics? Why is Putin moving in a Capitalist direction, rather than Socialist? Why is the conflict specifically centered around regions of Ukraine, not the entirety, and why Ukraine specifically?

Do you believe history to be decided by Great Men, or by Material Conditions? ](hexbear.net/comment/5347276)

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- Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  This person is saying Putin wants the territory back, not the government system. They even say the statement was hyperbolic.
  
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  - Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    Now they say that. They also lied and said that they weren’t asked any clarifying questions, when the linked comment proves that they very clearly were. They’re just trying to backtrack their unreasonable claims after the fact to make the response they got seem more disproportionate.
    
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    OmegaLemmy@discuss.online ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    Or is clarifying further after being asked a question about it. That seems to be the most natural result, no?
    
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TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
He also pretty much said as much during his initial ramblings during the invasion- that ukraine and other former Soviet states are rightfully a part of Russia.

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- EABOD25@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  But in their eyes, I’m the crazy, illiterate, stupid lib
  
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  - TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    And yaknow, I wouldn’t even mind being viewed that way. It’s the shitty moderation style I will mock endlessly.
    
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    EABOD25@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    Agreed
    
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SirDerpy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
You can’t deliver garbage writing to communists and expect positive results. The standard of semantics and nuance are set by socio-economic authors predominantly from the mid-to-late nineteenth century. Prerequisite to even speaking is a comprehensive understanding of at least The Conquest of Bread. One is expected to have the ability to segregate content from presentation and ideology from means of implementation. It’s as if you walked into university dynamics and poorly presented an algebra-based approach to a single body problem.

In certain forums, unless I’m very well-informed about a topic, I’ve learned to shut the fuck up unless asking questions, and to ask them with humility. In communist forums, which always stress education, I consistently receive high quality answers.

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- Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  
  In certain forums, unless I’m very well-informed about a topic, I’ve learned to shut the fuck up unless asking questions, and to ask them with humility.
  
  This is a core principle in Communist organization. “No investigation, no right to speak.” As a consequence, discussion tends to be better-informed in my experience.
  
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  - SirDerpy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    Yes.
    
    If I invest effort into figuring it out for myself and demonstrate that effort in the quality of my questions then nearly every teacher will at least match my investment. In the US teachers are so starved for good students that one-on-one education is free, from philosophy professors to diesel mechanics. One doesn’t even need be past the “nonsense” stage, only recognize their status and ask what pieces of the puzzle they’re missing.
    
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- EABOD25@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  It seems to me you’re under the belief that they can say and believe whatever they want without criticism, but they shouldn’t be allowed to be criticized. Also, I see you have used the phrase “neolib,” so your beliefs are probably more in line with theirs than mine are. Of course, you’re not going to be criticized. However, I do have the right to critique the approach with their criticism. The short-and-skinny of what I observed is that they can dish it out, but can’t take it. It’s irrational and a very closed off way if thinking. If they want to be talked to and about in a certain way, then they themselves need to do the same
  
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  - SirDerpy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    You delivered nonsense without even considering semantic. You felt entitled to others figuring it out for you. And, you were rejected due to your lack of effort.
    
    I’ll now reject you for gaslighting me about your comments, which I’ve read, and the follow up strawman.
    
    It’s simply not good enough. I don’t care why. But, I know you’ve nothing to contribute but practice material for identifying logical fallacy.
    
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    EABOD25@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    Well thank you letting me live rent free in your head. You wasted your mental energy by coming here and saying that. And you have proved nothing besides exactly what I said. You didn’t come here to get an understanding of me, you came here to try and call me out.
    
    So do you feel better about yourself? You holding your head up higher now?
    
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