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• blackris@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Sure, but maybe they would, if you instead of liking ate their body parts and would pay an industry to kill them for that purpose? We can only speculate.

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  • Nelots@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Yes, I’m quite aware vegans have a reason to be upset. Unfortunately, equating eating meat or drinking milk to personally murderering and torturing animals is not going to earn them any fans, and will in fact push people away from their just cause out of spite.

    That’s not at all relevant to the comment I was responding to, though.

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    • General_Effort@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Believing that animals are just like us s hardly and outlandish belief, on the facts. We’re evolutionarily closely related. We have basically the same skeleton. Skull, spine, rib cage, hips, 4 extremities. Arms and legs go: 1 big bone, 2 smaller bones, and lotsa little bones. It looks to be the same with the brain.

      We expect vegans not to blow up slaughterhouses or such. Fair enough. But expecting them to shut up about their beliefs is a bit much, no? Expecting them not to tell people how they feel, not to kiss in public, or hold a pride para… Sorry, wrong prosecuted minority.

      I’ve heard these takes about vegans for literal decades now, and not once has an actual vegan popped up to tell me that I’m a murderer.

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      • Nelots@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Okay? I have literally no problem with 99% of vegans expressing their beliefs. The ONLY thing I mentioned was them calling people murderers. Glad you haven’t, but I have had that happen.

        Yes, I’m quite aware vegans have a reason to be upset.

        their just cause

        Like I said. I even think they’re usually in the right.

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    • Landsharkgun@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I mean, you are paying someone else to do those things for you. Or if you want to quibble over verbs, paying someone else to cause harm to animals for you.

      If it’s not currently possible for you to eat a less harmful diet, that’s one thing. There’s a ton of ways that our lifestyles can cause harm, and it’s perfectly fine if you’re just not in a good place to change one particular aspect of it. Refusing to acknowledge the harm that you are causing is frankly much more concerning. From understanding comes action, after all.

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      • Nelots@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        I mean, you are paying someone else to do those things for you.

        That’s not exactly what’s going on. I believe a more apt way to describe it would be paying somebody that has harmed animals. This may sound like a distinction without a difference, but I don’t believe it is. Whether I buy pork at a grocery store or not, they aren’t going to kill any fewer pigs because of it. It’s not like the farm is going to butcher exactly one less pig because I stopped buying meat. If I decide not to buy pork chop the next time I go to a store, either somebody else buys the pork, it’s donated to a food bank right before expiry, or it’s just thrown away. The pig is already dead, and the meat goes somewhere regardless.

        Unless you’re the type of person that eats meat every day, there is very little change you can make at an individual level. Of course, much like voting, change starts to happen once you get a lot of people to make that individual choice. Get 20 people to stop buying pork, and the store might order less. But at that point, I would argue it is far more of a societal issue. So while we are directly responsible for what happens to farm animals, I don’t think it’s at the level of us literally killing them ourselves.

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• General_Effort@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Well, it’s what they believe. What exactly is the problem there? I have never been called a murderer. There just aren’t that many vegans around. I don’t know in what kind of circles this would be a common occurrence.

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  • Feathercrown@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Well, it’s what they believe

    I’m aorry but this is a dogshit justification

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    • General_Effort@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      At first, I was confused. Isn’t the fact that you believe something the only justification for saying something? I mean, otherwise you’d be lying. But you’re saying you disagree with the belief in the first place, right?

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      • Feathercrown@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        I’m saying that the idea that something is justified because it is believed makes no sense. Apologies for being unclear.

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  • redisdead@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Yet when a right wing cunt says what he believes about minorities, that’s a problem.

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    • General_Effort@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Vegans believe that animals have the same rights to live as humans. A nazi believes that the “others” do not have the same right to live as “his people”.

      I don’t think you’ll be able to convince me that these are morally or ethically equivalent positions. But I see the point. They both believe the wrong thing. The out-group sucks. Yes, I know how humans tick.

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      • Feathercrown@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        So what you’re saying is, their belief in their position doesn’t make it right/wrong. It’s the position itself that makes it right/wrong. That’s what we’ve been trying to say.

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