Comment on Maybe this is better for everyone

• Enkers@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  There’s obviously no way to prove this sort of statement, however every conscious being I’ve asked has told me they don’t like suffering. Additionally, almost all conscious beings specifically go out of their way to avoid suffering. I personally find this evidence sufficiently convincing.

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  • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    but pain in and of itself isn’t bad. it can be justified or unjustified.

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    • Enkers@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      We’re not simply talking about pain, though. I like the painful sensation from hot peppers, for example, but I wouldn’t ever wish to subject myself to the systematic violence and conditions that farmed animals face.

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      • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        and I wouldn’t wish for you to be treated like an animal, either.

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• naught@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Can you supply a convincing argument for suffering? We are fully capable of living with much, much less meat production. Why should we continue to inflict pain on things which can experience it? It seems manifest to me

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  • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Can you supply a convincing argument for suffering?

    i’m not saying it’s a moral good. i’m saying it’s amoral. as in it is neither good or bad in itself.

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    • naught@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      We have agency over our actions and the ability to reduce the negative impacts we have on the world. We are unique in this ability, and we should exercise it

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      • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        it’s not clear that animal suffering is a negative.

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