Can you supply a convincing argument for suffering? We are fully capable of living with much, much less meat production. Why should we continue to inflict pain on things which can experience it? It seems manifest to me
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commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks agoSuffering of conscious beings is a negative thing.
can you support this claim?
naught@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
Can you supply a convincing argument for suffering?
i’m not saying it’s a moral good. i’m saying it’s amoral. as in it is neither good or bad in itself.
naught@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
We have agency over our actions and the ability to reduce the negative impacts we have on the world. We are unique in this ability, and we should exercise it
commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
it’s not clear that animal suffering is a negative.
Enkers@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
There’s obviously no way to prove this sort of statement, however every conscious being I’ve asked has told me they don’t like suffering. Additionally, almost all conscious beings specifically go out of their way to avoid suffering. I personally find this evidence sufficiently convincing.
commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
but pain in and of itself isn’t bad. it can be justified or unjustified.
Enkers@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
We’re not simply talking about pain, though. I like the painful sensation from hot peppers, for example, but I wouldn’t ever wish to subject myself to the systematic violence and conditions that farmed animals face.
commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
and I wouldn’t wish for you to be treated like an animal, either.