Comment on Maybe this is better for everyone

• commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I like to give people questions to ponder and explore.

  if you don’t wan to construct an argument that’s fine, but the socratic method isn’t terribly convincing for me and many others.

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  • naught@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    You can’t appreciate a philosophical argument on a philosophical issue? I suppose that can be valid. It seems to me you don’t want to consider the ideas I have raised in good faith

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    • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      i’m willing to consider a fully formed argument. i’m not willing to be pestered by an endless interrogation.

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• commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Suffering of conscious beings is a negative thing.

  can you support this claim?

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  • Enkers@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    There’s obviously no way to prove this sort of statement, however every conscious being I’ve asked has told me they don’t like suffering. Additionally, almost all conscious beings specifically go out of their way to avoid suffering. I personally find this evidence sufficiently convincing.

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    • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      but pain in and of itself isn’t bad. it can be justified or unjustified.

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      • Enkers@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        We’re not simply talking about pain, though. I like the painful sensation from hot peppers, for example, but I wouldn’t ever wish to subject myself to the systematic violence and conditions that farmed animals face.

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  • naught@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Can you supply a convincing argument for suffering? We are fully capable of living with much, much less meat production. Why should we continue to inflict pain on things which can experience it? It seems manifest to me

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    • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Can you supply a convincing argument for suffering?

      i’m not saying it’s a moral good. i’m saying it’s amoral. as in it is neither good or bad in itself.

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      • naught@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        We have agency over our actions and the ability to reduce the negative impacts we have on the world. We are unique in this ability, and we should exercise it

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