Suffering of conscious beings is a negative thing.
can you support this claim?
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naught@sh.itjust.works 2 months agoI like to give people questions to ponder and explore. I think my arguments are very clear from the questions I have raised. Suffering of conscious beings is a negative thing. Particularly the egregious conditions in which we raise our “meat”. This isn’t even considering the horrible conditions that humans suffer working in and around the meat industry.
commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
Enkers@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
There’s obviously no way to prove this sort of statement, however every conscious being I’ve asked has told me they don’t like suffering. Additionally, almost all conscious beings specifically go out of their way to avoid suffering. I personally find this evidence sufficiently convincing.
commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
but pain in and of itself isn’t bad. it can be justified or unjustified.
Enkers@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
We’re not simply talking about pain, though. I like the painful sensation from hot peppers, for example, but I wouldn’t ever wish to subject myself to the systematic violence and conditions that farmed animals face.
naught@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Can you supply a convincing argument for suffering? We are fully capable of living with much, much less meat production. Why should we continue to inflict pain on things which can experience it? It seems manifest to me
commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
Can you supply a convincing argument for suffering?
i’m not saying it’s a moral good. i’m saying it’s amoral. as in it is neither good or bad in itself.
naught@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
We have agency over our actions and the ability to reduce the negative impacts we have on the world. We are unique in this ability, and we should exercise it
commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
if you don’t wan to construct an argument that’s fine, but the socratic method isn’t terribly convincing for me and many others.
naught@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
You can’t appreciate a philosophical argument on a philosophical issue? I suppose that can be valid. It seems to me you don’t want to consider the ideas I have raised in good faith
commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
i’m willing to consider a fully formed argument. i’m not willing to be pestered by an endless interrogation.