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commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 months agoi don’t need one. there is no reason for me to believe it’s immoral. it’s probably amoral.
Comment on Maybe this is better for everyone
commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 months agoi don’t need one. there is no reason for me to believe it’s immoral. it’s probably amoral.
naught@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
Do you think that animals have consciousness? Do they feel pain, fear? Is it moral for you to inflict pain and fear on a conscious being? What about 1,000,000 of those beings? Would you butcher a toddler for meat? What about an animal with similar (or more) depth of emotion and cognition than that? Is it okay because they are other species? What about the deforestation caused by animal agriculture? What about the impact on climate change? I think there are many valid moral arguments that you are outright dismissing with a mere hand wave. I hope you give it some more thought
commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 months ago
if you have an argument that it is immoral, make it. i don’t care for your interrogative style.
naught@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
I like to give people questions to ponder and explore. I think my arguments are very clear from the questions I have raised. Suffering of conscious beings is a negative thing. Particularly the egregious conditions in which we raise our “meat”. This isn’t even considering the horrible conditions that humans suffer working in and around the meat industry.
commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 months ago
if you don’t wan to construct an argument that’s fine, but the socratic method isn’t terribly convincing for me and many others.
commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 months ago
can you support this claim?
commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 months ago
that’s bad. buying beans doesn’t fix it though.
naught@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
This is a strawman. No one is arguing buying beans fixes deforestation. However, if less meat is produced (ie less animals are raised for slaughter), then less deforestation will come as a result of the meat industry. If legume farming was destroying the rainforest, I’d have a problem with that too
commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 months ago
turns out, a lot of the the deforested amazon is being used to grow soy.
commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 months ago
but just being vegan doesn’t cause this to happen.
commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 months ago
i suppose that depends on circumstances.
commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 months ago
i am not. i have been fighting with vegans, primarily on issues of the environment, for i think 8 or 9 years now. i have heard about every argument (though i’m always excited to find a new one!), and i have not been convinced by any of them that i have a duty to be vegan.