Comment on UPS drivers won “historic heat protections.” They say the company hasn't lived up to that promise.

• MiltownClowns@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  He subverted the will of the union using the might of the government. It doesnt matter what happened after that, as a union man that is the definition of anti worker.

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  • curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I agree, but leaving it out is still lying about what actually happened.

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    • Madison420@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It’s not lying at all, omission is only a lie if it’s misleading or nefarious, this is neither.

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      • curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        You can certainly make that call for yourself. I disagree.

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    • MiltownClowns@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      How so? He broke a strike. I said he broke a strike. It can’t much more factual then that.

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      • prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Context is important.

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      • curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        OK.

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• verdantbanana@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  after threatening them with their livlihoods and retirement yes he gave them a small amount of what they were demanding

  not a victory and that is not a champion of worker’s rights

  In September 2022, U.S. Senators Richard Burr and Roger Wicker introduced a bill that would have required labor unions to agree to the terms proposed by the Presidential Emergency Board, to prevent a strike.[18] It was blocked by Senator Bernie Sanders, who noted that freight rail workers receive a “grand total of zero sick days” while railroad companies made significant profits.[19] In the House of Representatives, Speaker Nancy Pelosi said, “We’d rather see negotiations prevail so there’s no need for any actions from Congress.”[16]

  In late November, after some unions had rejected the agreement, Biden asked Congress to pass the agreement into law. On November 30, the House of Representatives passed the existing tentative agreement along with an amended version that would require railroad employers to ensure 7 days paid sick leave.[20] On December 1, the Senate passed the tentative agreement with only 1 day of sick leave.[21] President Joe Biden signed the legislation into law on December 2.[4] The Biden administration’s intervention in the dispute was condemned by over 500 labor historians in an open letter to Joe Biden and Secretary of Labor Marty Walsh.[22]

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  • curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I didn’t call him a champion of workers rights.

    I corrected the misinformation by exclusion suggested by the statement.

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    • Sunforged@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Biden only picked up that ball after the East Palestine disaster vindicated all the reasons the union wanted to strike in the first place. It was a PR move because he had blood on his hands.

      For comparison a single socialist city council member in Seattle pushed and won the for 12 days of sick leave for the entire city back in 2012. 4 days is bread crumbs. They would have gotten a much better deal had they just been left alone to strike and negotiate.

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      • curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        And does any of that impact the ability to tell the whole truth, rather than partial?

        When you exclude important details, you’re doing your argument a disservice through misinformation. This has nothing to do with my opinion on Biden, which is not a positive one, but my opinion on intentionally leaving out important details. Which, to me, is no better than just flat out lying.

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• BradleyUffner@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  And set unions back decades by breaking the strike too!

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• kiljoy@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  A PTO day lmao. And you wonder why people are pissed he broke up the strike.

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  • curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’m not remotely surprised, and I didn’t support him pushing to stop the strike either.

    That doesn’t mean I think its OK to leave out what he did do to exagerrate a position.

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    • roofuskit@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Do you know why they were striking? Low staffing levels leading to long hours, overworked staff, and building safety concerns as a result.

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      • curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        What part of my comment makes it appear as if I wasn’t aware?

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    • kiljoy@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      He still broke the strike subverting the will of the workers. That is a slap in the face and undercuts the pto day they get a year.

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      • curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        He did.

        As well as get a pay raise, a guarantee of additional raises, PTO, additional sick days, and convertible days.

        Pretending nothing was done undercuts the issue, and spreads misinformation about what actually happened.

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• chiliedogg@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  25% over 5 years works out to 4.5% a year, and he “won” that during 8% inflation.

  In reality they’re getting a pay cut.

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