Comment on Reddit is a shithole

macrocephalic@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

• Firipu@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I hate that pov so much.

  Humanity is fantastic, wonderful, loving and amazing. It’s not a shit hole.

  I’d argue society is really broken in some places, but not humanity.

  As for Social media: it just brings out some dark side in some people. The vast majority of people on social media behave. It’s just that the outliers catch the attention.

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  • Ringmasterincestuous@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I hate this pov so much.

    I think it perpetuates that things are better than they actually are and inhibits change and progress… we’re all different I guess 🤷🏻‍♂️

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    • Firipu@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Fair enough :)

      I just don’t see how believing the worst in your fellow human can encourage you to improve things.

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      • SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Pessimism is easy and lazy thinking. People also think it makes you look more insightful and wiser to look down your nose at everything.

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      • dyc3@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Spoken like a true trekkie

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      • 3laws@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        believing the worst in your fellow human can encourage you

        It doesn’t, it never did, it never will.

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    • shundi82@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      But the poster you replied to has a point:

      Just like most animals the greater majority of people try to avoid as many direct conflicts as possible IRL. And they’re full of empathy and compassion - even for other animals in distress and inanimate objects (saw off the fingers of a plastic doll in front of others and see how they treat you afterwards).

      But of course people will lose a part of that compassion etc once they move within society without feeling like a part of it. One example is driving a car. You’re way less aware of being a part of society even though you’re “swimming” in it. Feeling a strong individual agency and being empowered by two tons of steel while simultaneously being greatly restricted by everyone and everything around you will do that to you.

      Same goes for the (social) media landscape. We feel empowered by our own echo chambers and/or chosen media outlet while barely interacting with anyone who could challenge our beliefs (which, funnily enough, is often the right call in that context, because we can’t change strong opposing beliefs via social media). And since it’s all an indirect, mostly faceless interaction, our beliefs will automatically be strengthened and we’ll be more likely to agitate anyone with opposing beliefs (while still avoiding any direct conflict).

      So I’d say it’s more of a flaw in our design, that is being exploited, than a general lack of sympathy/empathy (of which we actually have plenty).

      Which means you can’t hold any one individual to higher standards. Because that’s not where we “fail”. It’d take a much broader appliance of social securities (housing, food, healthcare, education etc all over the world) and a fundamental change in the way we interact. But you and I won’t change that (though I guess it’s comforting telling ourselves that we could individually change things on a greater scale).

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      • Firipu@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Thank you for being much more eloquent than me.

        The average troll wouldn’t be an asshole in real life. They’d likely just be an average bloke like us all that lost theirselves in online anonimity.

        Time and time again we see that in many disasters the majority of people in the affected community come together and help each other tremendously.

        There is ofcourse always rotten apples and exceptions. That doesn’t take away from the fact that people are inherintly good to their fellow human.

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      • Ringmasterincestuous@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        So everyone’s in agreement… humanity is a shithole

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      • SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        One major issue is we assume the motivations of others all the time, usually negative. Add anonymity to the mix and you have social media rage. A good place to start is to occasionally think “Maybe I’m not 100% right. Maybe they are at least partially right also.”

        True psychopaths exist but not to the extent people may think.

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  • Johanno@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    If you consider that we are currently destroying our eco system that we need to survive and have known for over 50 years that the co2 levels will cause major issues, but nobody really felt the need to act. And when the countries actually sat together and made the Kyoto contracts the USA stepa in anf fucks up the whole idea. Thanks Bush you little Oil-fucker

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    • Firipu@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Again, I’d blame society for that, not humanity.

      I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but the actual power in the world lies in the hand of just a fraction of percent of the people. Those asshole ruin it for everyone else.

      Doesn’t mean the average human is evil.

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      • Neon_Dystopia@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Worse, the average human is self absorbed and apathetic. This enables all of the truly evil to assert itself. Humanity is the sum of its choices and look where that leads. If it’s a battle of best vs worst natures, it’s become clear what side has prevailed.

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      • Johanno@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Yeah, I know! But do you see anybody care about that? Do the votes for political parties show anything that would mean they don’t like those corrupted bastards?

        No! Most people don’t care or think voting for the same parties will change sth.

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    • SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Get off the internet and talk to some actual people

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      • Johanno@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        What do you mean by that? Real people are boring /s

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  • OrdinaryAlien@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

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    • Firipu@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Nobody stops you you know… What an incredibly dumb comment…

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• Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  it’s like when you cut a tub of ice cream to see the distribution

  you can tell a platform hasn’t got a good mix of people if there aren’t any freaks or difficult bastards

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  • Bonehead@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    It's ok to be a freak. It's not ok to be an asshole for the sake of being an asshole. We like the weirdos for the colourfulness they bring to our lives. No one likes an asshole.

    Keep Lemmy weird. Don't be an asshole. Live by these rules and this place will always be great.

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    • Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      We all have our moments (or so he tells himself). I’m not advocating being an asshole, but they do make things seem more real. I’ve been I’m online groups where everyone’s blandly cordial and it all feels lifeless.

      You can be a difficult bastard without being mean though, it’s practically my whole job these days.

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      • Lurk99777@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        You’re gradually adjusting.

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    • areyouevenreal@lemmy.antemeridiem.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Actually I think being a difficult bastard, stubborn, or an arsehole is actually needed in certain contexts. Sometimes people are stubborn just because they can, sometimes it’s because they are defending themselves or someone else.

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• Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Dog Im on social media because Im the shit in the hole. When Im not on social media Im overall a pretty worthwhile person. Causation not correlation etc.

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