Comment on Asking for moderator Rooki's removal for misconduct
breadsmasher@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Is this all over a disagreement on whether a cat can survive on a vegan diet?
Yes, i wouldnt even stepped in if they didnt removed / added a warning about the risks of a vegan diet.
As a “clean” vegan diet without anything added to the food is poison for the cat as they are “Obligatory Carnivore” and need some Animal Proteins.
They wouldnt die immediatly but will cause malnutrition.
Wtf is a “clean” vegan diet?
Technically it’s not proteins, but specific amino acids (which, yes, are the building blocks of proteins). And amino acid deficiencies will absolutely kill cats. Many years ago my parents used to buy the cheapest garbage cat food available at the local grocery store. It was nutritionally deficient, and ended up killing our only cat that was strictly an indoor cat at the time. (I don’t allow any of my cats outside, because I don’t want them to be food for owls and coyotes.)
That is my understanding based on Rooki’s own post, the post of the demoted vegan mod, and the modlog containing the removed comments.
Here’s the thread (archive link) that the admin intervened in:
@naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com, cats CAN NOT survive for long with a vegan diet. Its dangerous for them. Cats are carnivores.
Please refrain from removing warnings about such dangerous facts. Everyone who killed their cats by doing so, have a nice rest of your life knowing you killed your loved pet.
p.s. yes i am a cat owner.
Edit: to the rest of the mods: Dont promote harmfull things for pets. @naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com and @Eevoltic are demoted.
If anyone else thinks pets should be vegan i have no problem banning them for being a troll and promoting killing pets.
Just that you heard it from me too: YES cats can survive vegan diet for few months but prolonged exposure and it gets harmful for the pet and even death.
Also to add Rooki is an admin of LemmyWorld.
Yes
Beaver@lemmy.ca 3 months ago
You’re not fully representing the situation. They banned vegans moderators from their own community based on their disagreement with scientific fact.
Rooki@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Oisteink@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Thank you for your service.
Feeding your cat an artificial diet because of your own conviction is animal abuse. At a minimum it needs access to both vegan and carnivorous food, and make the choice itself.
Are there any cats in the wild that are vegan?
snooggums@midwest.social 3 months ago
No, because they must have meat to survive due to being obligate carnivores. This is different than dogs, which are omnivores.
Sunshine@lemmy.ca 4 weeks ago
“Artificial” gotta use the nature logical fallacy there huh. Kibble isn’t natural.
Plant-based kibble synthesized with taurine, b12 and vitamin a through reputable kibble can be just as tasty to a cat and research has shown cats on a plant-based diet are actually healthier.
Read the studies before you make emotional statements.
-sustainablepetfood.info
-https://bmcvetres.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12917-021-02754-8
-www.magonlinelibrary.com/…/vetn.2022.13.6.252
-journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371%2Fjo…
-www.mdpi.com/2306-7381/10/1/52
-journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371%2Fjo…
-www.sciencedirect.com/…/S240584402411609X
-www.mdpi.com/2076-2615/6/9/57
Rose@lemmy.world 3 months ago
For one, I don’t see the moderators “denying any risks”. The very first one seen at the archived link and in the mod log says “There are some scammy and not nutritionally complete vegan cat foods or there, so it’s important to do a bit of extra research”.
Regardless of any of that, the job of a moderator isn’t to fight what they believe is misinformation, as that view leads to total censorship, as I already explained. What if you believe that abortion kills? Would you then go and remove moderators that say otherwise? The same question stands for the other examples provided in my OP.
Carrolade@lemmy.world 3 months ago
From a strictly scientific perspective, it is inappropriate to use where something fits into a recognized classification system as some indication of broader scientific fact. That’s an oversimplification that takes what is a simple teaching tool for lower-level science education that, by necessity, smooths over the details and nuance of our actual physical world, and tries to more broadly apply it to the actual practice of the science by specialists who actually work with that detail.
You cannot actually say that because something is classified as an obligate carnivore, it must consume meat to remain healthy. The classification system is too flawed for that, and exists merely to teach some basic principles in biology to new students. Our classification systems are not based in immutable fact and intended to be the end-all-be-all for drawing conclusions. Instead they are working tools with imperfections, designed for a specific teaching and communication purpose.
The fact of the matter is that a living organism requires certain chemical inputs, and if those inputs are provided, it can potentially remain healthy. If we simplified this down to some carnivorous bacterium, I think you could see a little more easily how we can very likely engineer around any classification of obligate carnivorousness if we so desired. It’s classification would not necessarily be accurate as described anymore, though that would not mean we should necessarily discard the system when it still serves a useful purpose for analyzing animals living within their natural habitats.