Plenty of arguments for piracy.
Comment on Disney creates best argument for piracy in a century.
doodledup@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
There is a ton of arguments against supporting these shitty corps milking their customers. However, there is no argument for piracy.
PunnyName@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
doodledup@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Enlighten me!
Gsus4@mander.xyz 4 weeks ago
some people are just flat out broke and they harm nobody.
Yprum@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Man you got such a weird hard on for this stance where you keep repeating the same thing over and over without actually providing a valuable argument.
So just in case you are not a bot and actually want the argument explained, here you go:
I want to watch movie A produced by Disney. As you say I have a ton of arguments to not support Disney. So I don’t pay to watch the movie. Now there’s two options left, I never watch the movie or I pirate the movie and watch it. By not watching it the only one that suffers is me, Disney couldn’t give two shits if I watch it or not. By pirating the movie I get the two things I want, to watch the movie and to not support Disney.
By pirating the movie to watch it I am not impeding anyone’s ability to watch it by paying Disney. I’m not taking anyone’s movie, no one loses anything, except Disney who loses the money they want me to pay. All those who participated in making the movie are not losing their salaries, they were already paid for the work by Disney, I’m not stealing their salaries (unless they had a contract with Disney to get some % but I can’t pay them without paying Disney)
Now let’s say I’m a parent, my kids want to watch movie A of Disney, but I don’t want to support Disney, do I punish Disney or do I punish my kids by not watching the movie? Or do I pirate the movie for my kids and still don’t support Disney’s shitty corporate behaviour?
Let’s see if you still don’t see the argument for piracy ffs
doodledup@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
The mental gymnastics in this.
Movies are products. Movies are investments in future movies. Yesterdays movie pays the employees that produce todays movie.
Time is money and money is time. So if you invest your time you should also invest your money. If you don’t do that you actively contribute to either artists getting payed less, movies getting worse by being funded less, or streaming services deteriorating even more. You are hurting the people that obtain the movies legally. Basic economics.
Besides, you mention Disney streaming. There are countless other ways to legally enjoy a movie. I don’t understand why everyone here thinks streaming is the only way.
Yprum@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
The only mental gymnastics are yours.
There is a ton of arguments against supporting these shitty corps milking their customers. However, there is no argument for piracy.
How do you propose to stop supporting Disney? Without eventually hurting the employees of Disney?
Streaming or buying a blueray or paying for a movie ticket (which is prohibitively expensive and can only be done in some occasions when I know I will enjoy it and then they fill you up in ads), it won’t matter, it all supports Disney and their shitty behaviour. I love buying my favourite movies and shows but I don’t want to buy all the movies and shows I want to watch, that’s why streaming is so much better in many ways and set as the main example. Even movies I bought in BR I will end up downloading for the comfort of watching them, I want to watch them on whatever screen I want wherever I want, not when I have a blue ray reader.
And others have already told you, sometimes there’s no legal way to enjoy some content, if some company doesn’t want me to get something, why would I listen to them and not find my own way?
The fact that it all works for you doesn’t mean others don’t want it in a different way.
If your kids want to watch a disney movie they spend their time enjoying it. You need to compensate whoever is providing for that. If they enjoy their time in Disneyland they also need to pay the ticket, eventhough the rides will work without them paying for the ticket.
No, I don’t need to do anything, they don’t set the rules. If my kids enjoy watching a movie but Disney won’t allow them to watch it without first swallowing 30 minutes of ads selling them other stuff you bet your own ass I will find a way to allow them to watch the movie without whatever random shit a corporation comes up with. I want to compensate the workers but I don’t. I pay Disney and they choose how employees are paid. And I won’t do whatever they say just because they “own” the movie. Should I still compensate the employees of Disney and the corporation for I don’t know, watching Fantasia done over 80 years ago? Stop sucking the corporations ass. They are abusing everyone, including their own employees.
If you say we have reasons to stop supporting Disney then you are saying either no one can watch their content or we can watch it the only way it hurts them. There’s no middle ground.
doodledup@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
You’ll be the one who runs the movie industry into the ground. It’s not going to be Disney. It’s going to be piracy.
If you don’t vote with your wallet and you don’t support good movies over bad movies, you’re helping nobody except yourself.
shalafi@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Piracy is theft. Period.
The only remaining question is if one requires an argument to steal in this context. I am fine with this theft and require no justification to sleep well.
“Commander Lock : Dammit, Morpheus. Not everyone believes what you believe.
Morpheus : My beliefs do not require them to.”
NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 4 weeks ago
Um… what exactly is being stolen?
Alexstarfire@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Their sense of pride and accomplishment?
Phil_in_here@lemmy.ca 4 weeks ago
The fruits of artistic labour.
Ask any artist if they’d rather their work not be enjoyed at all, or enjoyed for free.
NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 4 weeks ago
Typically it’s the fruits of distributing someone else’s artistic labor that are
stolennot paid. The artists are under contract with the producers/distributors, so they get paid regardless (if we’re talking RIAA/MPAA/record labels/movie studios).Making a copy of something isn’t the same as stealing it. Making a copy of something and trying to pass it off as your own work is fraud, but that’s outside the scope of digital piracy. “Theft” requires that the stolen item is no longer in the possession of the original owner.
leftzero@lemmynsfw.com 4 weeks ago
Ask any artist if they’d rather their work not be enjoyed at all, or enjoyed for free.
Here you go:
Clent@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
The only industry whose profits need to be guaranteed by laws.
nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca 4 weeks ago
People who are actually right never have to say “period” at the end. Just FYI.
Gsus4@mander.xyz 4 weeks ago
I don’t know. I like the clarity of your view, but the world theft has implicit the idea that you having it makes someone else not have it.
Theft is wrong even by poor people, because what you steal might reduce availability to other poor people. But piracy is theft lite, in the sense that when people without disposable income do it, nobody loses anything.
asexualchangeling@lemmy.ml 4 weeks ago
Theft is wrong even by poor people
All I have to say about that is, if you see a poor person steal food, no you didn’t
systemglitch@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Funny, I hear nothing but arguments for it.
Bbbbbbbbbbb@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
There are tons of arguments for piracy, the simplest ones being region locks, deplatformed episodes, and censorships.
doodledup@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
These are all arguments against the corresponding service. I don’t hear an argument for piracy.
cobysev@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
When those services are the only place with a license to provide the content you want, and your choice is to either suck it up and deal with their enshittification, or pirate the media you want… guess which option is the preferred choice?
nothing@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
Didn’t forget about media you already bought being limited, deauthenticated, or removed completely.
SoftScotch@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Perhaps not a popular approach, but I will simply watch less or not at all (mainly due to ads). There are other ways to entertain yourself. Throw away your TV!
doodledup@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
They are not the only place. There are thousands of ways to legally obtain the content you want to enjoy. Blue-ray is one of countless others.
Not paying anything is worse in any case. The content and services will get even worse over time if more people start pirating stuff. The only way to change that is to vote with your wallet. Not paying does not entitle you to have an opinion and complain.
BigDaddySlim@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Netflix produced a movie called Hush. They made it and it was only distributed on Netflix. They removed it a while back, now the only way to watch it is to pirate it.
Alexstarfire@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
These are all arguments against the corresponding service. I don’t hear an argument for piracy.
Zorque@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Sometimes we don’t hear something, not because it doesn’t exist… but because we choose to deny its existence.
Just because you don’t believe its there doesn’t mean it isn’t.
doodledup@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
It’s not about belief. It’s just pure logic in argumentation. There is just no conclusion here.
It’s like robbing a store because you didn’t like its shelf layout.
All of the arguments I read here are justifications. Nobody is actually trying to make a point here. They just want to enjoy free content.
waka@discuss.tchncs.de 4 weeks ago
The argument for piracy is quite simple: conscience and morality.
The masses simply don’t care if a few pirates can’t reconcile it with their conscience that the respective provider acts like a piece of shit and treats its customers like shit under their shoe. Those providers just have to make sure that there aren’t too many pirates and therefore scrape the shit off the sides of their shoes from time to time.
All the other arguments are tangible. But they are often already essentially solved.