Comment on Why are people downvoting the MediaBiasFactChecker not?

imPastaSyndrome@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• ccunning@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Other people clearly don’t think it’s a helpful resourcem

  They should block it.

  It gets weird when folks start trying to keep everyone else from having it available as a resource.

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  • Carrolade@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Unless your goal is to spread misinformation. Anyone that knowingly wants to spread propaganda is going to severely dislike it and be forced to come up with some excuse to be against it, that is more acceptable than “it keeps telling me my russian propaganda is bullshit”.

    We do have a small pro-Russian contingent on here after all. We also occasionally get a MAGA type.

    Personally I do appreciate it, the wikipedia and Ground News links are convenient, I would occasionally manually google those anyway. News consumption is one of the main reasons I’m on here in the first place though, so I might be an outlier in that regard.

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    • ccunning@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Unless your goal is to spread misinformation

      EXACTLY
      This is why anyone vehemently opposed to it is an instant 🚩for me

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    • ShepherdPie@midwest.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Can you even point to a post where the bot calls the source out as propaganda (in whatever choice of words it would use to indicate this) or highly untrustworthy? I’ve literally never seen it say anything but left, left center, or center on any source and usually always highly trustworthy or trustworthy.

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      • Iceblade02@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        That has more to do with the fact that centre-right/right/far-right sources are seldom posted to lemmy.

        Here are some examples:

        mediabiasfactcheck.com/goteborgs-posten/

        mediabiasfactcheck.com/new-york-sun-bias/

        mediabiasfactcheck.com/fria-tider-free-times/

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      • Carrolade@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        No, it will not specifically identify propaganda. Could just check their entry for RT if you wanted, I’ve never bothered to look. That’s a Kremlin funded publication though.

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    • Maggoty@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Mmmm yes everyone who wants to get rid of the conservative corporate disinformation bot is themselves trying to spread disinformation.

      Projection, that’s totally original.

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      • Carrolade@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        In America, that is not conservative in the slightest, unless you’re coming from a hard communist position. What’s the corporation?

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  • Maggoty@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Disinformation is dangerous. That’s how we got the white “alternative facts” thing in the first place. We shouldn’t tolerate it at all.

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    • tyler@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Nobody in this comment section has provided a single instance of it being disinformation. But people sure are claiming a lot of shit without backing up it one bit. I’m inclined to believe that they’re most likely far right trolls who disagree with their favorite news outlets getting labeled something.

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      • Maggoty@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        MBFC itself is biased and unreliable. On purpose or not it’s system has the effect of pushing the GOP narrative that mainstream news is all leftist propaganda while right wing propaganda is normal. It does this by not having a center category and by misusing the center lean categories it does have.

        So for example national papers with recognized excellence in objective reporting are all center left. And then on center right, you have stuff like the Ayn Rand Institute. Which is literally a lobbying organization.

        Not having an alternative isn’t an excuse to keep using something that provides bad information.

        So you missed this comment then? And the ones where they point out any pro Palestinian source is rated badly?

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  • zazo@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    So people can just downvote it instead right? That’s literal direct democracy at play - if there’s more people that like the bot they’ll upvote it and it will have a positive score - saying “just bury your head in the sand if you don’t agree with this message” is the reason we’re in this political mess in the first place…

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    • ccunning@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Sure - do whatever you want. There are users on this very instance that I downvote every post they make rather than block.

      I also have comment(s?) in this very thread about when I downvote it.

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    • Pika@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Personally I find the downvore/up vote system to be super unproductive, the only thing it accomplishes is squashing the minority opinion, I keep the score system disabled for the comments section as a whole, it makes life easier and preventse from being populous/bandwagon bias. It still sorts by score for top-level but, it made navigating so much much peaceful.

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      • Maggoty@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Over all and in general sure. But for things like bots it’s really good feedback.

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• otp@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  You don’t have to have an alternative in order to disagree.

  That’s not how life works.

  Just because I don’t know the formula of Hydrochloric acid doesnt mean I can’t disagree with someone saying it’s Barium and Oxygen

  I don’t think that metaphor holds true. We’re talking about a website or a tool, not a fact.

  If you’re going somewhere that’s a 6 hour flight away, you don’t say “That’s too long” and decide to walk/swim instead.

  If you decide you don’t want to go, that’s fine. Block the bot, lol

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  • imPastaSyndrome@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    An airplane is a means of travel not a tool. The bot osnt even a tool, it’s a biased shortcut.

    It’s like just going to cnn to see if something is true because you respect their opinion.

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