Comment on Louis Rossmann's response to harsh criticism of "Stop Killing Games" from Thor of @PirateSoftware

• ampersandrew@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  You sold someone some code that you then rendered inoperable by actions beyond their control; that’s what you’d get in trouble for. Delete your own code all you like.

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  • ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    That’s a different statement than you made before. I am also against disabling something someone paid for. But what did you mean by

    The code can be stored without needing servers to be kept open

    I have to store code? Can’t I delete my own code?

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    • ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      If you sell someone a game that relies on a server you own, and did not advertise clearly that you were selling a service, not a good (something you own), and then break that product for the customer without any possibility of them repairing their good, and you delete the code that could’ve fixed it, you’d be sorta commiting fraud.

      If you abandon a product that was sold as a good, and it became inoperable due to forces unrelated to you, you’d be in the clear.

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      • ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Right, so an MMO charging a monthly fee shouldn’t need to make their game available to everyone if they stop charging people the fee and shut it down? Because that’s what I think too.

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    • WHYAREWEALLCAPS@fedia.io ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      That is not what is being discussed and was never being discussed. You're sounding like you're being pedantic to try to pick a fight

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      • ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        I’m being specific because this is being intended as a law everyone must follow. “All games need to be available forever” is very vague. How will this vague law be applied in practice? People brought up the idea of eternal code preservation. Alright. How does that work?

        I’m not picking a fight. I want supports to explain in vivid detail their expectations because it’s clear not even all the supporters agree on how it would be implemented. Some said it doesn’t apply to MMOs. Some said it does. It needs to be one or the other. That’s not being pedantic, it’s being realistic.

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• mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Any company that isn’t completely incompetent has some revision control solution like GitHub. It saves the original and all the changes throughout the life of the code. It’s designed specifically to allow developers to update or even delete code while still maintaining records

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  • ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    An indie dev recently lost the source code to their early access game and had to remove it from Steam. If this law was in place, what punishment would they face for their incompetence? It would be rare for a massive company to not have source control, but it probably isn’t uncommon for small first time devs. So now you have a well intentioned law putting regulations in place that hurt small devs and raise the barrier to entry.

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    • ampersandrew@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Removing the game from sale is not disabling the game for existing owners. These are two very different problems.

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• Icalasari@fedia.io ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  A game's code can be submitted to a repository on release to the public to be stored for the sake of preservation. The repository can always be made access on a case by case basis, thus preventing the loss of code and culture while also protecting the IP holder's rights

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  • ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    And every single game dev would be required to do this for the thousands of games released every year? Who would host this massive repository? Who would determine access on a case by case basis? It’s a nice suggestion but mandating this as a law everyone has to follow? Why? I thought this was about consumer protection

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    • Icalasari@fedia.io ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Iunno, the Library of Congress in the states seems capable of holding every movie, book, journal, etc.

      I think a way could be found for games in the EU if even the US can manage this for other media

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      • ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Is that repository required by law? Is every author and director required to follow it or be punished? What if an author only publishes it on their website and then takes the website down and it never makes it to the archive are they in trouble? It’s a nice thing, but mandating it as law is ridiculous.

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