i’d imagine not …???
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Mango@lemmy.world 2 months agoI respect people’s consent in the scenario where it’s something they experience or are affected by it. I’d imagine frozen time is consequence free zone for everyone.
lseif@sopuli.xyz 2 months ago
Mango@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Yeah, frozen time isn’t really it.
jorp@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Yes this is fantasy but what you’re effectively stating here is that if you don’t get caught it’s not wrong. The same argument would justify groping a deep sleeper, do you think that’s not wrong?
Mango@lemmy.world 2 months ago
No, not really. I’m saying that if there’s zero effect for the would-be victim, I can’t see them being wronged. I think time freeze is probably not the right scenario for this though. They’d be physically affected. Copying them in an simulation type thing is more along the lines of what I’d consider harmless.
dohpaz42@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Unfortunately for me, I feel like if I thought I could get away with something consequences free, I’d probably do it. I’m not proud of that aspect of my morality, but I’d be lying if I denied it.
That said, I remind myself that if I’m too ashamed to do it under the scrutiny of people, then it is 100% not something I’m doing. That goes for simulations as well. Because there is always a chance someone will find out… and frankly, I don’t think I could live with myself.
Right or wrong, that’s my take on it.
jorp@lemmy.world 2 months ago
That’s a very honest and self reflective stance that I think a lot of people would agree with. I don’t think it’s a moral failing, much of morality is putting aside your basic instinct and desire in favor of your rational mind realizing what’s best for you and society at large.
People have empathy to varying degrees and it’s something that needs training just like any other skill. Acknowledging where you have gaps and working rationally around those gaps is how you become a moral person. I don’t think you were necessarily being hard on yourself but others feeling the same way might be so I figured I’d share this perspective.
Mango@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Nah, people will judge you for totally harmless shit. Their judgement doesn’t mean you’re wrong. People hide their gayness or niche religions under the everything of people and they should not have to.
bizarroland@fedia.io 2 months ago
I mean, I could see doing stuff like stealing an awful lot of money from large multinational corporations.
Stockpiling gold, jewelry, and valuables from predatory pawn shops and stuff like that.
I wouldn't have a lot of personal grief over the theft of property but I would have to draw the line where it comes to interfering with people.
I wouldn't use time stopping powers to rape anyone or to kill my enemies or anything like that.
Might take a few politicians and like royally fuck with them until they are so unsettled that they can't function in society anymore though.
jorp@lemmy.world 2 months ago
that’s another interesting but debatable position. AI generated deepfakes of teens fall into that category.
Mango@lemmy.world 2 months ago
So debate it.
An it harm none, do what ye will. Every day bullshit harms me dramatically more than any dude privately jerking it to me.
umbrella@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
you would enjoy the USS calister
Mango@lemmy.world 2 months ago
What’s that?
AnyOldName3@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Installing hidden cameras in a public toilet is harmless by that definition as long as they never get discovered, but would still be highly immoral. I don’t think you’ve thought this through. People’s right to decide what happens to their body extends to things like who can see it rather than just who can physically touch it.
Mango@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Religious people all think there’s a god watching them 24/7 and seem fine with that. Those same religious people didn’t seem to think I should get to decide to keep my foreskin.
The thing about the bathroom camera is that it’s like content piracy, and I personally don’t really care to engage in business of that nature. If you’re selling it, I don’t want it. I’m not more likely to pay just because I didn’t get it for free.
I’m more concerned about the nature of law and enforcement in relation to this kind of privacy breaches. The law can and will act on shit, and they need to be as restrained as we can get them. I’m never worried about embarrassing myself around a rational thinker. I’m worried of embarrassing myself around irrational judgement from people who will hurt me or make my life worse. The only real situation where I’m not worried about being watched is by people who straight up cannot do anything with what they see. No talking, no sharing, etc… I don’t wanna hear distant snickers from people who know what I’ve put in my butt.