Ok. So what.
If they can fill the positions at that rate then they should be happy. They can increase prices since consumers don’t tip anymore and pocket the difference.
If you are correct, then the owners wouldn’t be fighting this.
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Plastic_Ramses@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Turning tipped positions into non-tipped positions will push down wages for those formerly tipped positions.
At least when prices went up, servers got a piece. Now restaurant owners will stagnate wages and pocket the increase.
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Plastic_Ramses@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Having a burden to pay your staff is just that - a burden.
It doesnt mean that owners wont make more money, its just a bigger pain in the ass than its worth.
ghen@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
You mean like every other company on the face of the planet? Seems to work out just fine.
Plastic_Ramses@lemmy.world 4 months ago
That’s a false comparison, and you know it.
kboy101222@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
Don’t know what else to say but boohoo
Plastic_Ramses@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Continue advocating for the owner class then i guess.
Staff make more money on a tipped system than not.
Nommer@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
Guess you’ll just have to live with paying fair wages to your employees. Get fucked.
Plastic_Ramses@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Lol, im not an owner dingus.
Ive worked basically every position from busser and expo all the way to exec chef and gm and am currently a bartender. I can so with first hand knowledge that wages go down when switched from a tipped system to a non tipped system.
I guess first hand knowledge of the industry counts for nothing when a bunch of tech bros on lemmy know more than me.
Plastic_Ramses@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Wait, are you telling me that the market decides wages and we should be happy with it?
That’s capitalist bullshit.
uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 months ago
Restaurant owners will increase prices with inflation because it means more profits. Restaurant owners are also notorious for stealing tips and wage theft.
And restaurants that ended tipping (some have) have happier wait staff and management.
Do you own a restaurant?
Plastic_Ramses@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Do you have a source on that statement?
I do not own a restaurant but am a worker, bartender specifically.
Every restaurant that i know of or have worked in that switches to a non-tipped wage leads to suppressed/lower wages, and that’s from someone who has intimate access to the books.
Pay is definitely more consistent but not as high on average by design.
rekorse@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Well you can do a shitty version of anything. There are gains to be had switching to a non-tipped pay structure, but its up to the owner to distribute it fairly. Sounds like in your examples the owner collected the extra money themselves.
Plastic_Ramses@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Its nuts to me how many people in this thread support and trust the ownership class.
WarlordSdocy@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I don’t think anyone is saying we need to not allow tipping, just stop the stupid idea that restaurants can pay less just because an employee is tipped. They shouldn’t be reliant on the good will of people or the social pressure to tip, that should just be an extra.
ECB@feddit.org 4 months ago
I mean, I’m saying that.
To me I’ve never understood why sit-down restaurants should be looked at any differently to any other business. Why can’t the actual price just be listed on the menu?
Like, if we’ve collectively decided that the actual price is 20% higher than what is listed, then let’s just treat this like every other profession and raise prices by 20%.
Why are people taking orders and carrying food special? Other customer-facing positions generally don’t get tips. Chefs (who make the food!) generally don’t get tips.
Just pay the waitstaff a fair wage and quit the tipping!
Plastic_Ramses@lemmy.world 4 months ago
It’s not 1995 anymore. Most restaurants require chefs to be tipped out.
Its only the really shitty ones that dont.
DrSteveBrule@mander.xyz 4 months ago
From my limited experience working in restaurants, the chefs also get paid at least minimum wage if not more
ECB@feddit.org 4 months ago
I’ve worked in a number of places as a chef (from low to high end) and that was never the case anywhere I worked. To be fair, it’s been almost a decade though, so maybe I’m out of date.
WarlordSdocy@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Are you saying you think tips should be banned? Like if I offered someone a tip and they accept it should they be in trouble? Cause that’s what I mean when I say no one is saying tipping should be not allowed.
ECB@feddit.org 4 months ago
I’m not sure it would be possible to change the culture any other way, since it’s so entrenched.
The only restaurants I know of that were able to successfully transition to a less toxic business model for servers did so through a combination of paying servers a fair base wage ($20+ an hour) and banning tips.
Culture is tricky in that it’s ‘sticky’ and often takes a lot of effort to change. Having a policy like ‘tipping not required’ would still lead to the vast majority of customers feeling obligated to tip because not tipping carries with it such a strong implication of being greedy/stingy.
I should mention that this all mostly applies to the US and that there are plenty of countries with flourishing hospitality industries where tipping is virtually nonexistent (or even seen as insulting).
whoreticulture@lemmy.world 4 months ago
A ton of people, in this thread, are saying tipping should be banned/not a thing.
WarlordSdocy@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I haven’t seen anyone say it should be banned, just not required because the person isn’t making enough money to live off of just the wage they’re paid. I agree it shouldn’t need to be a thing but it should still be an option if you have extra money and feel generous, it just shouldn’t be expected.
akakunai@lemmy.ca 4 months ago
If the goal is to do away with tipping, I don’t know of another way besides banning it that will be effective.
The provinces of Ontario, Alberta and British Columbia all did away with the seperate (lesser) server wage so that all employees go by a universal minimum wage. I don’t think that changed patrons’ tipping habits one bit.
And servers are still reliant on the good will of people. Ain’t nobody with real expenses getting by with some of these minimum wages. Not with the current cost-of-living.