Comment on Can we please unpin the proprietary off-site/off-network promotion of discord

Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• GONADS125@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Especially since there is already a lemmy.world announcement community…

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  • antik@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Which is our main platform for announcements and the discord server is just to complement LW not to replace any of it.

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    • GONADS125@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Not hating, just was confused by the shift. I missed the piracy defed announcement because I didn’t realize there was the discord announcements too now.

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      • antik@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I know, didn’t take your comment as ‘hate’.

        But that won’t happen again. Should have been on LW first but with a DDOS happening the admin decided to put it on discord first.

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    • Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I wish you guys would use a Matrix Space for annoucements as a complementary space, that way we wouldn’t have to use a proprietary platform to hear about what’s going on if lemmy.world is down.

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• CoderKat@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  IMO that’s being too fanatic. I love FOSS, but you don’t have to use FOSS for absolutely everything. Making a FOSS product does not mean you need to use FOSS for everything. And sometimes the closed source options are simply the best. Eg, GitHub and Discord are widely considered the best options in their field.

  Also, at least before Twitter became such a shitty alt-right shit hole, many FOSS products did have twitter accounts! That’s just part of promoting your product and providing an alternative place to contact and discuss. Eg, when Reddit went down, I’d usually check their twitter to get updates on it.

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  • Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Eg, GitHub and Discord are widely considered the best options in their field.

    Librewolf moved to Codeberg a few weeks ago, so I guess there are still alternatives.

    As said elsewhere, Mozilla uses Matrix.

    Following that logic, why do we bother using Lemmy in the first place? We could just go back to Reddit, using revanced apps with personal API keys, and call it a day.

    Also, at least before Twitter became such a shitty alt-right shit hole, many FOSS products did have twitter accounts!

    They did, but then Twitter went to shit. Reddit was fine, until it went to shit. If the Piped project were to use a subreddit instead of !piped@feddit.rocks , wouldn’t that be a missed opportunity too? FOSS project should support each other, otherwise it questions their existence in the first place. Why would other organisations and companies bother with the FOSS alternatives if FOSS projects themselves don’t?

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    • cubedsteaks@lemmy.today ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Following that logic, why do we bother using Lemmy in the first place?

      I mean, I’m only here cause reddit sucks and I wanted to see if Lemmy has a different atmosphere. So far it does. Too bad its kinda dead around here.

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      • Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Enjoy your stay! It’s quieter indeed

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  • deweydecibel@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    GitHub and Discord are widely considered the best options in their field.

    Git, sure, but suggesting Discord is the best depends on how you’re judging that criteria. Best for who? Admins or users?

    Moreover, if we’re going to start getting into the nitty gritty about what the “best” options are in any field, then FOSS dies in most cases. Volunteers simply cannot compete with a bunch of paid developers, but they will do their best.

    Plex, for example, blows Jellyfin out of the water in terms of polish and simplicity. If you’re judging best on how easy it is, and how likely it is the average person’s going to run into issues, Plex beats its FOSS competition by a mile. But that’s not the whole story, is it? That doesn’t take the insertification factor into account, or the fact that forces you to pay for something that your computer is effectively doing on its own.

    But the other thing to remember is that what truly kills FOSS is people just simply not supporting it. The more you use these established, centralized, biggest names, the further you entrench them, and the harder it becomes for any serious alternative to justify its existence.

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• deweydecibel@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It’s because Discord provides a functionality Lemmy does not yet offer. Forums having a connected chatroom is not a new thing at all, and that was true with subreddits and discords. Easy, instant communication for the community, particularly it’s management, is useful. Back when I moderated forums, the mod teams had a private mod forum, but also hung out in thw IRC chat.

  The problem isn’t the existence of a chatroom, it’s that they used Discord. But I don’t believe there’s a fediverse alternative for chat functionality like that, at least not yet.

  Discord is also a useful reference point for new users who may need guidanton how to use lemmy, but already know how to use discord. Call it onboarding if you like.

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  • rckclmbr@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Why not just use IRC?

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    • SheeEttin@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Discord is a modern platform a lot of people enjoy using. IRC isn’t.

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    • Kangie@lemmy.srcfiles.zip ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Zoomers can’t deal without their embedded images. Clicking a link to view a meme is so 1990s.

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      • Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Nice domain name!

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    • ninchuka@lemmy.one ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      No media support and closing the client and you DC from the channel, not ideal for modern use cases such as being on mobile devices or a laptop on a train and your connection drops while you go through a tunnel

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      • rckclmbr@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Good points. I’ve always gotten around the terminal issue by using irssi + screen

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      • Kangie@lemmy.srcfiles.zip ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        We’ve had IRC bouncers since at least psybnc in the 90s…

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  • Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I get the need to have a chat, we also setup one for the moderators of one of my community

    Matrix is a pretty good alternative to Discord, with moderation possible via github.com/Gnuxie/Draupnir.

    It’s not a perfect one to one match, but Lemmy is not one for Reddit either, still we are all here.

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• TheKarion@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Its like putting fish oil on your steak

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