Comment on [Labor senator] Fatima Payman says she's been 'exiled' and is 'reflecting on future' within Labor
hanrahan@slrpnk.net 5 months agoSamilar thing with Lydia Thorpe when she spat the dummy and left the Greens, she now sits as an Independent in the Senate, cant see her being reelected?.
That aside N has the “waka” jumping bill )/(Maori for vlcanoe In think) where ifnyiu dintjatbits a nuekection… Differ electoral system though.
While not disagreeing with you, I vote below the line , democracy should be a serious business, so I take it seriously m
It’s not quite the same thing, because she chose to become an independent, she didn’t get forced out by the Greens saying you must agree with the party line or else.
I genuinely don’t know if the Greens would have done the same thing, because it didn’t come to that.
naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 months ago
I vote below the line also and think labor is accepting and aiding a genocide here. Hence my tongue in cheek wording about people who vote below and my less tongue in cheek wording about right and wrong being real.
We can debate the merits of loyalty pledges till the cows come home but if you use them to silence people trying to stop or slow a genocide you’re actually um a nightmare clothed in human form and I hate you and want you to die 👍. The labor party can fuck themselves with a rusty chainsaw on this one, they’re wrong and history will remember them as murderers.
Zagorath@aussie.zone 5 months ago
Happy cake day!
I’m curious, do you vote below the line because you vote in a way that has to be BTL, or just because you’re used to it from the old GVT days? Personally I’ve not done it since 2016, because for the most part I trust each party’s internal ordering of their candidates.
But damn, if I were a Western Australian, and Payman were still in Labor, and she were still preselected in the 2028 election (that’s a lot of ifs), I would definitely be voting BTL just to support her. Not sure if I’d vote her 1, then Greens just as a way to provide maximal support for her bravery, or vote Greens first, then her, then the rest of Labor, in a more honest assessment of my political views (disregarding my vote for other smaller parties before and in between Greens & Labor).
naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 months ago
I don’t always agree with the party’s ordering. Some people I just fundamentally do not trust. I think there’s some concern with weird vote exhaustion (e.g. my 2nd is party 1st, my 1st is party 2nd, my 3rd is party I don’t want. My 1st goes to my 2nd, which doesn’t win, so my 3rd is counted and party 2nd loses by one vote) but I don’t know how likely that really is in practice and I mostly just drop horrible people and political schemers /shrug
TBH I’ve basically lost faith in the Westminster system. I participate because absolutely fuck disempowering yourself to any degree but I put my energy in smaller scale stuff and trying to build community.
stepchook@mastodon.au 5 months ago
@naevaTheRat @Zagorath I think the Westminster system is designed for exactly that purpose. It was invented to separate powers and stop various denominations from flogging each other. Democracy is served when the greater number decide, even when they're wrong.