and that stops when trump wins… right?
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HomerianSymphony@lemmy.world 4 months agoYou’re making a choice that is purely symbolic just so you feel better
If voting third-party were purely symbolic, there wouldn’t be this many people on Lemmy trying to persuade us to not do it.
I think Biden does want our vote. And we’re telling him that if he wants our vote, he has to stop the genocide. That’s how we can use our vote to influence the government. That’s how democracy is supposed to work.
but real and vulnerable people across the country have to deal with the fallout
There are real and vulnerable people dying in Gaza right now because of what Biden is doing.
PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@feddit.uk 4 months ago
HomerianSymphony@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I’m not choosing Trump either.
Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 months ago
You are supporting Trump by wasting your vote.
PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@feddit.uk 4 months ago
but you are, because you’re not voting biden
HomerianSymphony@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Genocides happening either way. you sitting home and sulking about it wont make it better.
HomerianSymphony@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Here’s a puzzle for you. A group of three men go to a hotel, and they each pay $10 for a room, for a total of $30. Afterwards, the manager remembers that there’s a deal where you can get 3 rooms for $25, so he gives $5 to the bellboy and tells the bellboy to return it to the men. But the bellboy returns just $1 to each of the men, and pockets the remaining $2.
So the men each paid $9, for a total of $27. The bellboy pocketed $2. Where did the other dollar go?
Jimmyeatsausage@lemmy.world 4 months ago
If there were a “no genocide” candidate that could win, making that a single issue would matter. Biden supports Israel despite their actions in Gaza… which he has publicly stated he doesn’t agree with and has taken concrete, if underwhelming, steps to try and stop. Trump has shown us during his previous administration and told us recently that he will support Israel harder and will likely take steps to decrease the resistance to the Palestinian genocide if not outright accelerate it. He’ll also accelerate Russian aggression in Ukraine and likely would ignore our Article 5 responsibilities when Putin advances farther into Europe. I’ll assume you’re familiar with the policy differences on climate and how climate change impacts poor regions (like Gaza) more than it impacts affluent ones like the US (and even we’re getting our asses kicked by climate change this year). You can vote to take a moral stand, or you can vote for desired outcomes. The people trying to convince you not to vote 3rd party are trying to convince you to vote for a desired outcome. There is presently no likely outcome that gives us a non-Biden, non-Trump administration for the next 4 years. Based on that fact, we want to maximize the likelihood of the best availa le outcome. That’s what we’re asking…to think about what the world looks like for the people you care about under Biden and compare those outcomes to what it will look like under Trump and vote based on those outcomes. The time to find the ideal candidate is at the beginning of a presidential term, not the end of one.
You can bet your ass most of us are including the ongoing genocide in our voting decision, we’ve just thought about it enough to know our options aren’t between “stopping genocide” and “continuing genocide”, the choice is between “resisting” (aka, the status quo) or “accelerating”.
HomerianSymphony@lemmy.world 4 months ago
If there were a “no genocide” candidate that could win, making that a single issue would matter.
But voting is valuable even if your candidate doesn’t win. It’s about having your desires counted on the public record.
If politicians see that they’re losing votes to anti-genocide third-party candidates, they’ll take notice.
Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 months ago
If you care so much for palestine you vote Biden. Its either Biden or Trump and Trump would flatten gaza to get even more settlements named after him.
assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 4 months ago
This is a logical fallacy. If lighting myself on fire as protest were purely symbolic, then why are all of my friends persuading me to not do it?
Sometimes people trying to convince/persuade you against something isn’t because you actually have a point – but because your ideas will lead to harm.
HomerianSymphony@lemmy.world 4 months ago
You’re gonna need a better example, because people lighting themselves on fire played a tremendous role in ending popular support for America’s occupation of Vietnam during the Vietnam War.
It’s the last thing I would describe as “symbolic”.
assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Did it? My understanding is that the draft and footage of their children dying in war is what reshaped the public opinion.
Genuinely asking though, it was before my time.
HomerianSymphony@lemmy.world 4 months ago
There were self-immolations in Vietnam that were protests against the US-backed puppet government in Vietnam.
It wasn’t the only thing that shaped public opinion about the war, but it did have a big impact.
You can read a bit about it here:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thích_Quảng_Đức