Comment on So is Israel just going to finish Palestine off?
Varyk@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
Completely occupying Palestinian land has been the plan for over half a century.
With this terrorist attack, Israel is trying to wrap it up.
They could have completed their colonization under the guise of righteous vengeance, but:
That now has very little chance of succeeding now because of three important factors 1) it’s taking much too long 2)they’re indisputably committing witnessed, recorded and shared war crimes and 3) the goodwill they’ve accumulated for 70 years as a stabilizing ally is wearing off pretty quickly.
There’s more support for Palestine now than there has been with these same Israeli attacks occurring for the past 70 years.
Palestine is officially recognized by 145 countries or so at this point.
So, likely scenario is there’s going to be a ceasefire eventually and a similar paltry amount of land will be given to a nascent “official” Palestinian authority under the practical authority of Israel, which is not ideal, but it might actually result in the beginning of a two-state solution that’s been suggested since Israel became a country.
In practical terms, Palestine getting a “country”, not much will change between Israel and Palestine because the establishment of Palestine doesn’t affect the fundamental religious conflict between the two.
That’s where it looks like it’s headed.
I hope I’m wrong and something better happens.
gedaliyah@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Varyk@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
That refers to an agreement by the Israeli military to stop officially invading and colonizing Palestine after successfully colonizing over 90% of their territory.
Unofficially colonization continued and Israel did nothing to stop civilian Israeli settlers from continuing the colonization.
Israel also continued to bomb civilian establishments and execute civilians up until the present day!
SleezyDizasta@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Source: dude, trust me
YourPrivatHater@ani.social 4 months ago
How dare you state the truth in our antisemitic arguments about how evil Israel is…
SOMETHINGSWRONG@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 months ago
Unironically defending genocide by using “antisemitism” as an excuse, implying by your own admission that all Jews are genocidal
Who do you think you’re fooling, bud? Fucking Nazi.
YourPrivatHater@ani.social 4 months ago
Unironicaly thinking that there is a genocide even after the ICJ said there is none… Blocked you nazi.
SleezyDizasta@lemmy.world 4 months ago
You’re talking out of your ass. Israel has no plans to take over Gaza. They already had it and even had settlements there going back all the way before Israel gained its independence. But they voluntarily existed in 2005 in hopes of fostering peace with the Gazans… Instead the first thing they did was elect Hamas and commit terrorist attacks.
Varyk@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
So if you rewind another 50 years or so, you’ll understand the statement I made a little better.
The israeli conquest of Palestinian land started quite a ways before 2005.
SleezyDizasta@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I literally don’t care, you made a false statement. Israel unilaterally left Gaza. They don’t have settlements there anymore and they don’t plan to. Making up stuff doesn’t make you sound smart.
Varyk@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
You might want to care, since your false claims are entirely based on a woefully inaccurate and incomplete historical understanding of the conflict.
Nougat@fedia.io 4 months ago
Palestine being a wholly recognized nation with borders would make it so much easier for the world community to use its leverage on both Israel and Palestine for any of their shenanigans. As it stands now, it’s still arguably “an internal conflict.”
That’s a lot different from “attacking a sovereign nation.”
YourPrivatHater@ani.social 4 months ago
Yeah but that will not happen because the “sovereign nations” government is Hamas and they did attack Israel…
Hamas has the majority in Gaza and would get the majority in the other parts of the autonomous region Palestine in a election (wich is why the current government of this region is not doing elections)
SleezyDizasta@lemmy.world 4 months ago
No it wouldn’t because the problem isn’t with borders, it’s with government. The Palestinian government has squandered every opportunity and has done everything it could to stop progress. Its Arab allies have been dedicated for decades to do everything in their power to act on the behalf and in the best interest of Palestine from going to wars to destroy Israel to islamic world organized boycotts and sanctions against Israel to diplomatic pressure on the west to do something to providing their own peace proposals to giving them arms to taking them in as refugees to giving them billions in humanitarian aid annually and the list goes on and on… But every time, their efforts blew up in their faces. There’s a reason why these countries are starting to recognize Israel.
Varyk@sh.itjust.works 4 months ago
Exactly.