Comment on Workers Create Value

• Grayox@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Yet you live under the authority of Capital everyday, interesting.

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  • ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    You’ll be hard pressed to have your average person online casually use the Engelian type use of authority in authoritarian. The authority of work or authority of capital isn’t what they’re thinking. What is being imagined is almost always despotic tyranny.

    Same thing with dictatorship. Most people will see that word and not associate it with a philosophical concept that includes a kind of rule by a class of citizens. They’ll use it synonymous to despotic tyranny.

    Outside .ml at least, and especially on .world.

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  • fcSolar@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    lemmy.ml is run by marxist-leninists (hence the .ml), which is an explicitly authoritarian ideology, and for the record trading one form of authoritarianism for another is not a worthwhile improvement.

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    • Grayox@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yes it is, because authoritarianism isn’t the end state of ML. You readily acknowledge that we currently live under an authoritarian Capitalist system, can you tell me what the end goal of this system even is? I mean most workers are one missed paycheck away from homelessness. While vast sums of wealth are horded by the top 1% of society with the only end goal being more wealth being extracted from the working class, with no actual goal besides more profit and greater wealth. The end goal of Marxist-Leninism is a classes society where each person contributes what they can to society and receives back what they need to live a fulfilling life. They are extremely different.

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      • fcSolar@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Alright, firstly, I think you’re mistaking me as advocating for capitalism. I’m not. Whilst I’m not a fan of labels (they’re so easily contorted away from their original meanings by those seeking to undermine the ideologies they describe), I believe “Socialist” would reasonably describe my beliefs.

        Secondly,

        […]authoritarianism isn’t the end goal of ML.

        I think you’ve got that backwards. Marxism-Leninism starts with democratic means, then implements an authoritarian regime.

        […]can you tell me what the end goal of this system even is?

        No, because there isn’t one. Capitalism actively punishes any form of forethought or long-term planning.

        […]The end goal of Marxist-Leninism is a classes society where each person contributes what they can to society and receives back what they need to live a fulfilling life. They are extremely different.

        In theory, maybe. Just like in theory Capitalism self regulates through competitive pressures, or whatever nonsense it is that Capitalists spout.

        I’m more concerned with actual effects, and empirical evidence than hypotheticals. Authoritarian regimes invariably turn oppressive, one way or another.

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    • Fisch@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I don’t know where that idea came from but the .ml doesn’t stand for marxist-leninist, those domains are simply free

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    • Katana314@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      My respectfully-written comment got removed for no good cause by a Lemmy.ml moderator (an authority figure. D’oh!)

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