Comment on Workers Create Value
fcSolar@lemmy.world 3 weeks agoAlright, firstly, I think you’re mistaking me as advocating for capitalism. I’m not. Whilst I’m not a fan of labels (they’re so easily contorted away from their original meanings by those seeking to undermine the ideologies they describe), I believe “Socialist” would reasonably describe my beliefs.
Secondly,
[…]authoritarianism isn’t the end goal of ML.
I think you’ve got that backwards. Marxism-Leninism starts with democratic means, then implements an authoritarian regime.
[…]can you tell me what the end goal of this system even is?
No, because there isn’t one. Capitalism actively punishes any form of forethought or long-term planning.
[…]The end goal of Marxist-Leninism is a classes society where each person contributes what they can to society and receives back what they need to live a fulfilling life. They are extremely different.
In theory, maybe. Just like in theory Capitalism self regulates through competitive pressures, or whatever nonsense it is that Capitalists spout.
I’m more concerned with actual effects, and empirical evidence than hypotheticals. Authoritarian regimes invariably turn oppressive, one way or another.
Grayox@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
Capitalism does not self regulate, it consolidates. You should try reading Marx and Lenin’s actual writings, you seem very earnest and dont come off as a troll. There are multiple free audio recordings on YouTube of their works. Humanity must escape the all powerful driving forces of the profit motives Capitalism enforces or perish off the face of this earth. That process if it is to take place will appear extremely authoritarian to those who value profit above all else.
fcSolar@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Correct, hence “In theory” and “nonsense” in the words surrounding that phrase.
I certainly would like to read at bare minimum some of Marx’s works, but ADHD is really not conducive to being able to read even mildly long texts, like I couldn’t even get all the way through Einstein’s Why Socialism?.
Audio is even worse on that front, as I’ll end repeatedly tuning parts out and have to go back and listen to parts again, which just isn’t good for motivation.
Grayox@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
youtu.be/igfycERc6Js?si=39naQ0WCyfa0oxgW i gotchu
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
I do think this is a bit of a thought-terminating cliche. It implies people who are actively recommending reading and understanding the theory that supports their beliefs so you can better judge for yourself are just assuming means from ends.
In reality, Marxists have to read Marx to understand his critique, his philosophy, and his recommendations, because it simply isn’t taught in western education. Lenin is even more unknown to the average person.
Grayox isn’t telling you that you must agree with them, but suggesting reading the same theory they have so you can better discuss it.
Just my 2 cents.
fcSolar@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
That particular statement wasn’t directed at Grayox specifically, it was more about a particular subset self-identified communists on the internet, including (some of?) the lemmy.ml admins, and many users of lemmygrad and hexbear. The ones that correctly identify that the USA is bad, but then prop up the likes of the Soviet Union, the PRC, the DPRK, and even Russia (which doesn’t even claim to be communist) as paragons of good, when often times they’re worse than the US.