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Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• Beetschnapps@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  PROVIDED the bullshitter doesn’t turn inward. A PM with those skills unleashed in the team is hell.

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• chiliedogg@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  “Bullshitting” is an essential skill, not a distraction. The greatest idea in the world is meaningless if nobody knows about it.

  Marketing, scmoozing, etc gets a bad rep. But no matter how good your output, product, research, etc is, it has very little value or impact if people don’t get on board.

  If you can’t play the game, team up with someone who can. And don’t forget that while that schmoozer may not have your technical skills, they have a skillset you do not.

  It wasn’t Woz or Jobs. It was both.

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  • drosophila@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It’s funny you use Woz and Jobs as an example when Jobs regularly emotionally manipulated and abused his employees and stole Woz’s money.

    I wonder why schmoozers have a bad rep 🤔

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    • chiliedogg@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Jobs was an asshole.

      Also, he got shit done. He wasn’t a technical genius, but he and the team he built could pitch the shit out of products. Apple’s value has rarely been in its technical superiority, but in branding.

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      • drosophila@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        “Asshole” is the word for a guy who likes to cut people off in traffic. I think there’s probably a more appropriate word for someone who emotionally manipulates you over the course of years so you’re continually a nervous wreck and can be destroyed any time it’s convenient for him. Seriously if you haven’t watched the interview I linked at least look at the first couple of minutes.

        And at the end of the day, who did this behavior actually benefit? Steve helped make Apple a lot of money, sure, but where did most of that money go? It didn’t go the employees he abused, that’s for sure. But maybe Apple products ended up benefitting society as a whole, and without Steve we wouldn’t have had that? Well you already said that more often than not Apple’s success didn’t have anything to do with technical superiority.

        The fact that people like this (Steve Jobs, Elon Musk, etc) often head successful companies isn’t an example of how beneficial they are, it’s an example of how broken our system is.

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  • quicksand@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yep. We’ve got me a technical guy who loves deep diving in theory and understanding the why of everything, and a smooth talking ex-Navy guy who is good at thinking on his feet and has great mechanical acumen. Last but not least, we have the guy who uses a sick day whenever there’s work scheduled, and then shows up the next day and goes on some libertarian rant about how any progress we’ve made since the 19th century is a sign of our country going down the toilet. Dream team baby

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    • TheBat@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Kick the last one out. Get a fresh out of college graduate in place instead.

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• jjjalljs@ttrpg.network ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I often describe the team like we’re doing a heist. There’s the planner, the face, the muscle, and so on. We’ll have a social problem and I’ll tell the face to go talk to the other team for us.

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• Chadus_Maximus@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Ok so what happens when the bullshitter gets all the recognition and nobody believes you when you try to prove otherwise? Document and take legal action?

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  • RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Seconded. The “face man” gets to be the public face and thereby a lot of the social credit and perhaps most of the work credit as well.

    We see people like this all the time in management who take all the credit for the work from those who actually did the work.

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