Comment on Chicken vs Egg

Kolanaki@yiffit.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

• aeharding@vger.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Based on the jpeg, this meme came first

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• dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  I recall reading somewhere that it would have been a proto- chicken kind of thing. Like not quite a chicken but it laid an egg and the first chicken came out.

  Maybe a gene mutation of some sort.

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  • roguetrick@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Even that’s not that clear cut. The mutants and the nonmutant proto chickens interbred regularly and different mutants showed up. The real answer is there’s no such thing as a chicken but we really want to categorize this thing.

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• niartenyaw@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  i think it would depend on whether the genes from the mother or embryo build the shell.

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  • Sadbutdru@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I have no direct knowledge about that, but if we take the analogy of the egg (shell, albumen and yolk sack) being the life-support system of the embryo during gestation, in humans the placenta would be a big part of that, and exactly whose body it is part of its not simple (from what I remember both mother and child contribute cells, and the ‘plan’ for building it comes from the father’s genes). So maybe for chickens it could be ambiguous whether the shell ‘belongs’ to the laying generation or the hatching one. Seems like mostly a human taxonomy distinction to make anyway, obviously it’s in between the two, but we like to draw the line somewhere.

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    • niartenyaw@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      that’s really interesting, didn’t know that about humans.

      yeah for sure, all abstractions are just that: abstractions. and it’s fun to pick at their holes

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