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stembolts@programming.dev 6 months agoThank you. But atheists are too narcissistic for me, I’m agnostic.
gibmiser@lemmy.world 6 months ago
stembolts@programming.dev 6 months ago
Not really, high protein diet makes them pretty unpleasant.
Sentrovasi@kbin.social 6 months ago
I mean, you literally called the guy stupid and criticised the post for a "complete lack of logic": I agree with the other people that you write incredibly obnoxiously, especially if that's what you regard as "polite". Unfortunately claims of rationality can go hand-in-hand with a pseudo-intellectualism that is really grating when done in earnest.
Maybe rather than consider everyone else racist, you might do a bit of self-reflection and consider why people who clearly acknowledge that the main post is racist (see every other upvoted comment) still consider your post worse than the racism you're criticising.
stembolts@programming.dev 6 months ago
If the only response you have to my content is to police the tone, then I am very comfortable with this. I grew up around lots of highly religious people.
People who would “win” arguments by asking you to lower your voice, stop using certain words, stop focusing on X or Y, ignore and evade direct questions, change the topic (almost always to Jesus or faith somehow, lol).
As a kid I was confused by it and thought, “Damn, I am really awful at convincing people,” and that remains true. But what I later realized when I met academics is that while my tone may be harsh, the content of what I said was valid and I learned how to remain steadfast to the task and discard the mental tricks people use to evade confronting their own conceptions of the world. It is threatening to ask someone to question themselves and humans don’t like to change their belief systems because of that threatening feeling. All of those defense mechanisms are rooted in fear. But if one can find a flaw with the speaker (me), then their content can be discarded. Of course this is irrational, the worst person in the world can make the best point, and the most eloquent speaker can spew nonsense.
It feels safe to be conservative. So those people were clinging to safety which is something I never did, I’m an infinitely curious explorer and throughout my life I’ve learned that there is nothing wrong with my presentation and that the people who have issue with it do so as a defense mechanism. They ALWAYS avoid directly responding to the content and tbh I find it funny so I structure my posts in as direct a way as possible which highlights their evasiveness.
Go through and read every response to me in this thread, all tone policing. Then read my messages. They contain direct questions, patience, direct assertions with room for response, curiosity for the other, and probing to their way of thinking. Am I condescending? Yes. Does condescension invalidate a point? No.
But as I said I grew up in a similar environment to this thread so I knew what to expect, it’s just nostalgic to revisit “home”, though I won’t stay here. Echo chambers are boring and I like to be challenged.
You could say that I like being mentally challenged.
A lil joke at the end 😉
Politeness does not matter, and if you are able to get past your belief that it does then you may encounter many interesting ideas.
Obonga@feddit.de 6 months ago
Agnosticism and atheism are not of the same kind. There exist agnostic or gnostic atheists and there exist agnostic or gnostic theists. From what you write, you are an agnostic atheist: You do not believe in a god, yet you can not be sure that there is none.
stembolts@programming.dev 6 months ago
True. But that I can compare the ways of thinking that lead to agnosticism/aetheism as I observe them.
At some point in my life I walked away from religion and thought, “Hm, I’m not really an atheist because I can’t disprove the existence of a god but I also think the idea of god as most religions present it is silly. I guess I’m nothing.” Then a few years later I found out there was a word for that.
Lemminary@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Do you mean arrogant? Because I don’t think we’re narcissistic anymore than we’re self-assured
I’m not gonna try to convince you to change your mind, but I will say that a lot of us atheists hold similar beliefs in a strict sense within the scientific framework that makes us agnostics with every unknown. I think you’ve heard of people saying sarcastically that they’re agnostic of the Easter Bunny or Santa Claus, right?
In a practical sense we simply don’t need to pretend that we need absolute certainty with an omniscient-level of understanding to read between the lines of the reality that’s right in front of us. Take that as arrogance if you must, but there’s reason behind being this self-assured that doesn’t need to be conflated with a sweeping personality trait
stembolts@programming.dev 6 months ago
I think the two terms have some overlap, I mean narcissistic as in having such a belief in the self to not only declare that there is no evidence for a god, but to state that there is evidence for the lack of a god, something that is not possible to prove.
But I take your meaning, arrogance is a perfectly good term for what I mean. So I agree with you, and I don’t think there is anything wrong with being an aethiest, after all awthiests are probably right. I’m just not certain enough to join the club, but maybe I just lack self confidence.