Comment on Men Use Fake Livestream Apps With AI Audiences to Hit on Women

DavidDoesLemmy@aussie.zone ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• Gaywallet@beehaw.org ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  This boy is purposefully being misleading about himself - he is presenting a con. We shouldn’t be victim blaming.

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  • cobra89@beehaw.org ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    On the flip side, if the genders were changed in this situation and the guy only wanted the woman because of superficial reasons like she was attractive or popular, how many people would be saying “he got what he deserves”

    This is definitely one of those double standard situations. While we shouldn’t be victim blaming, I think there’s something to be said for calling out people who are willing to throw away an existing relationship because an “influencer” came up to them. And I think that’s what the poster you are responding to was getting it.

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    • Gaywallet@beehaw.org ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I think it’s completely fair to have an honest conversation about what could cause someone to be enticed by a large number of followers, but I don’t think that OP was making space for that conversation. It came off as victim blaming because there was no attempt at nuance or unpacking the fact that these women were targeted by a conman and that we really shouldn’t be blaming them at all.

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  • jarfil@beehaw.org ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Honestly, I’m having a hard time not blaming everyone in this.

    • Seller: scamming wannabe scammers, while actively spreading and promoting toxic ideas.
    • Buyers (1st level victims): wannabe scammers, trying to scam the final victim.
    • Victims (2nd level): being so shallow as to fall for a fame scam.

    As the saying goes: “you can’t scam a honest man person”… but a dishonest one, oh boy, you can scam them over and over and over.

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    • Gaywallet@beehaw.org ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Again, can we please not victim blame? Calling this a failure, saying that they must be “so shallow” to fall for a fame scam is analogous to saying “she was asking for it because of the way she was dressed” to a rape victim. Being a human is complicated and there are many reasons a victim can fall prey to a scam. It’s not as one dimensional as you’re painting it and regardless of how shallow a person is, no one deserves to be taken advantage of.

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      • jarfil@beehaw.org ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I don’t think that someone’s behavior choice is comparable to their clothing choice, and I see much more than a single problem in this whole situation. It also isn’t any inherent weakness or any sort of coercion that are getting exploited, everyone is free to leave at any moment.

        no one deserves to be taken advantage of

        Agreed.

        The problem is that everyone in this case is trying to take advantage of someone, they just differ in what they want:

        • one wants money
        • another wants sex
        • last one wants clout and money

        We can agree that the main instigator is the seller, taking advantage of the others, but that doesn’t mean the others are completely innocent; they can’t be, or the whole scheme wouldn’t be possible in the first place.

        (in a sane world, I’d expect the only one to get scammed would be the buyer… but I know that groupies are a real thing)

        I think we should ask why each one of them wants what they want, and why are they ready to jump at the opportunity of taking advantage of someone else in order to get it.

        Then we could ask what could be done to prevent the whole situation from being possible, at every level.

        PS: in some jurisdictions, there is a “funny” situation where lying to get sex is a felony up to certain age… but once it’s between “consenting adults”, lying to get sex is perfectly fine! 😒 We could also take a look at that, how is it possible to give consent while being lied to.

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  • realitista@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Isn’t the presumption here that if she is only interested in his money that she also plans to take advantage of him?

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    • Gaywallet@beehaw.org ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      We cannot possibly know her intentions. We do know his intentions. Please stop shifting focus away from the person actively causing harm here.

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      • realitista@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Her intentions were as clear as his in that video as far as I could see.

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