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• Glytch@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Janeway did plenty of wrong things, a few war crimes, some atrocities, harboring a pedophile.

  The death of Tuvix was not one of them. Voyager needed both men in their respective positions not one man pulling double duty. There a number of times after the Tuvix incident that everyone on Voyager would have died if Janeway had made the other choice, simply because Tuvok wasn’t there.

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  • RamblingPanda@lemmynsfw.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Just what I’m saying. But better and with more words. Tuvix had to go.

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  • acockworkorange@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    The means justify the ends, got it.

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    • Glytch@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      The means were also quite humane. Transporters aren’t generally portrayed as being painful and they’re quick. Janeway’s disposal of that abomination was an act of mercy.

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• acockworkorange@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Tuvix was the best thing that could have happened to Voyager, and the writers squandered it by killing him.

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• exocrinous@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  There was also all the racism against the doctor, cultural appropriation of indigenous americans, and detransitioning a nonbinary person to the point of surgical modification and compulsory heterosexuality.

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  • captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    …Seven of Nine?

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    • exocrinous@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Born with female sexual characteristics. Assigned female at birth by their parents without consent, which is a horrible imposition of someone else’s will upon them. Taken by the Borg, stripped of markers of human femininity at a biological level, assigned the identity of drone in place of gender without consent, which is a horrible imposition of someone else’s will upon them. Ended up on Voyager when it escaped the Borg, cut off from the collective, body began rejecting implants, cried and said they didn’t want to be human, and Janeway ordered surgical removal of implants instead of looking for a way to preserve them. Told to “become a woman”, introduced to human culture and sexuality in aid of this goal, assigned female without consent, which is a horrible imposition of someone else’s will upon them.

      7/9 was forcibly assigned a gender with no say in the matter a total of 3 times. Our western culture is biased towards treating binary gender as normal and essentially good, so the actions of Janeway and the Hansons are normalised and excused, the violence inherent in them erased. But the fact of the matter is, nobody ever gave 7/9 a choice in the matter of their identity. We don’t know what 7/9 would have chosen if they had been allowed to develop a sense of themself naturally, because three different groups all independently took that choice away. The Hansons, the Borg, and Janeway are all moral equals as far as 7/9 is concerned.

      And I say this as a nonbinary person, who is dronegender, and who empathised with the horror and misery of 7/9’s detransition story. The science fiction story of the violence inflicted upon 7/9 is a perfect mirror of the way my own life feels, and it felt good to see that pain recognised on TV for the only time that someone like me has ever been represented.

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      • captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Seven of Nine had a pretty amazing rack for someone “stripped of markers of human femininity.” She was as much a woman under all the robotic body horror as Jeri Ryan, which raises the kind of horrific idea that Annika Hansen went through puberty as a drone.

        Since Seven of Nine herself later describes USS Voyager as the place she was reborn. Seven of Nine is a cult survivor/escapee. The Borg are a high-control group; they abduct new members via physical force, deny their members any personal rights or freedoms to include bodily autonomy. Members of the collective may not leave. Members of the collective become entirely dependent on the collective for their social needs and their very survival, making escaping a traumatic experience that requires assistance from others…and escaped individuals seldom look back on their time in the group as a positive experience.

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