I don’t see how those games being less remembered discredits the fact they had solid writing and plot.
Popularity contest does not correlate with high quality.
Nobody remembers fallout 1 and 2. If it wasn’t for Bethesda, fallout would be a dead series nobody remembers. The only reason fallout is relevant and even has a tv is because of Bethesda buying it. It’s their series now, and their interpretation of it is the only one that matters.
t0fr@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I’m responding to people complaining that the show is more like bathesda fallout than the first 2 games. I’m explaining why. Because popularity and mainstream appeal. I’m sorry you don’t like facts
t0fr@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
Hmmmm. I’m not even complaining about that. Considering you can’t roleplay in a TV show, guess the writing can be potential.
Just trying to refute your points about the writing of the games. I understand why the TV show would be based on something that has mainstream appeal. That makes a lot of sense.
SquirtleHermit@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Okay, disregarding how terrible of a take that was, which part of your rant was relevant to the fact that Bethesda has serious writing issues?
Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Fallout 1 sold 600k copies. Fallout 2 sold 125k.
Fallout 3 sold 12 million Copies. Fallout 4 sold 25 million copies.
I guess my point is that you have no argument. Bethesda fallout is undeniably the dominant and mainstream version of fallout that people know.
SquirtleHermit@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I guess my point is that you have no argument.
I think you are mistaking me for t0fr. While I do think you had a terrible take, and did ask how it was relevant to what t0fr said about Bethesda’s Fallouts being known for having worse writing, I never argued that Bethesda’s games weren’t the most well known in the series. So, again I fail to see how what you are saying has any relevance to what was asked…
But, for the sake of argument, the StarWars sequel trilogy had the highest combined box office of any of the trilogy’s by far. Does that mean the Sequel trilogy is the best of the three? Does that mean that long time fans shouldn’t get an opinion when stories that they loved get steamrolled over?
Dont get me wrong, I’m enjoying the Fallout show, and I like the Bethesda games. But sales numbers and ownership aren’t the be all end all of what makes good fiction. And pretending like it is largely plays a roll in why we get so much high budget schlock.
Wootz@lemmy.world 8 months ago
By the looks of this thread, we’re a lot of nobodys.
Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 8 months ago
PC gamers who are shitting all over Bethesda and the tv show, you’re not the target audience cause you’re unpleasable. I’ve met tons of people who’ve played fallout 3, nv and 4. But rarely meet anyone who has played 1 and 2, and I’m talking about the real world not your PC gamer forums
t0fr@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
Well New Vegas was amazing, and not written BT Bethesda. 3 and 4 on the other hand were pretty weak regardless of how well they sold.
Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Oof, the further I read, the worse you sound.
PS, I’m a console gamer who was excited for 3 & 4 BECAUSE of the first two games, and I’m really enjoying the show. Which kind of throws your stereotypes and generalizations out the window. So please stop.
Wootz@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I don’t know what you’re up to, but I ain’t shitting on the Bethesda games, that’s on you.
Put it down to age. I’m sure not a lot of people who jumped in at Fallout 4 bothered to go all the way back to the beginning, but I gotta say, nothing says “PC gamer forum” like lumping every age group together and calling something dead just because you didn’t dig it.
SuperSpecialNickname@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
Joke’s on you, New Vegas wasn’t written by Bethesda and go figure, it’s the best game in the series (alongside 1 and 2).
Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 8 months ago
That’s like saying the Empire strikes back isn’t a star wars movie because it wasn’t written by George Lucas
Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Pre bathesda- 750k copies of fallout 1 and 2 combined sold.
Post bathesda- 50 million copies of fallout 3,nv, and 4 combined sold.
I mean if those numbers don’t say it for you, I don’t know what will.
otp@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
750,000 = 0? Or did 750,000 people experience memory loss? Lmao
Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 8 months ago
750k is smaller than 50 million. Keep up
LucidNightmare@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Plenty of people remember and adore the first two games, and even tactics. Bethesda’s version of Fallout is great, and so are the originals. Get over yourself.
Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Like I mentioned to someone else, fallout 1 and 2 sold 750k copies combined.
Fallout 3, nv and 4 sold 50 million copies combined.
I’m responding to people shitting on Bethesda’s version of fallout and wishing the show was more like the first two games, and I’m responding with “most people don’t know the first two games, Bethesda fallout is The mainstream”. Am I wrong?
LucidNightmare@lemmy.world 8 months ago
To give you something else to think about for Fallout 1, 2, and tactics, there were also not very many people who could afford computers at the time of their releases.
I wouldn’t attribute the games being any less good than the newer games just because they didn’t sell as much as those newer games.
Fallout 3 and New Vegas was on PC, Xbox 360, and PS3. That’s also around the time the tech became much more available to the broader audiences. More people than ever had gaming consoles, and gaming PCs.
Fallout New Vegas has a lot of the charm of the older games, especially the wackiness that many love. Fallout 3 was (in my opinion) a much more focused game, in that it focused on the main story and kept most of the wackiness to a minimum compared to the originals and New Vegas.
I see what you’re saying, but if the originals did not exist, neither would the newer games. We shouldn’t shit on the classics, because without those classics, we wouldn’t have the show to even begin with.
Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Yeah.
I agree that Bethesda has done a fine job with it, but I don’t agree that we should pretend that none of the other games ever existed just so you don’t feel left out.