Comment on How Much Would You Pay to Make Sure You Never Sawed Off a Finger?

ChihuahuaOfDoom@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• grrgyle@slrpnk.net ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I mean that’s objectively expensive, but a ~thousand to for safety equipment that could save someone’s digit sounds super cheap.

  Then there’s just the intangible morale boost working with tools designed with your safety and well-being in mind.

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  • Ross_audio@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    This is like saying we should more than double car prices and insist they’re all carbon fibre tubs for safety reasons.

    If it moves the product price by such a large margin, you’re only talking about profit motive when trying to exclude products without the parented feature.

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  • lightnsfw@reddthat.com ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You can save tour digits just by operating the tool properly.

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    • steal_your_face@lemmy.ml ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      True. Also accidents never happen.

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      • lightnsfw@reddthat.com ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Not often enough to force everyone to pay a premium to have sawstops installed on every saw. If they want to make it an osha thing for professionals maybe, but I as a hobbyist don’t need or want it. If I did I could buy one already.

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• tux@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  That’s my problem with this, an entry level table saw from skil or whatever is a couple hundred bucks and lots of beginner woodworkers still have to save up for one. A table saw (IMHO) is kind of a barrier of entry into more serious projects (yes I know there are lots of other ways to make other tools function). If they don’t come down in price then that’s going to suck big time.

  Sawstop is an interesting story. They made a great invention, but when no one wanted to license it they started suing companies and pushing for regulation changes, and supposedly have even rejected some companies who have wanted to license their technology (Grizzly). And of course, the infamous Bosch Reaxx lawsuit, where they succeeded in stopping Bosch from importing their version of a safe Table Saw.

  Interesting read I found while looking into this more toolguyd.com/companies-allege-sawstop-refused-to-…

  And a cool hackaday: hackaday.com/…/ask-hackaday-sawstop-bastion-of-sa…

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• silence7@slrpnk.net ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The big question: is it cheaper than paying for a small number of very expensive and very destructive accidents.

  My gut is probably.

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  • Fosheze@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    My dad was a carpenter and cabinet maker for most of his life. Even in retirement he spends most of his time restoring antique wood furniture. In all of that time he has never cut himself with the tablesaw. He has had the table saw kick lumber back at him. He has cut himself with other saws. But the tablesaw is probably one of the least dangerous saws a woodworker works with outside of unpowered hand saws. By forcing saw stop you are jacking up the prices of even cheap tablesaws several times over and forcing more people to use the far more dangerous alternative which is a handheld circular saw.

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    • AWistfulNihilist@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      This is objectively incorrect, unfortunately. It’s an anecdotal study with an n of 1. Whenever they check the numbers on this, table saws are responsible for like 40% of power tool related accidents. They’ve recently done studies that also show experience and training also don’t correlate to less injuries, complacency negates that for enough time to get injured.

      The only thing that reduces injury are mechanical or physical additions to the devices.

      www.sciencedirect.com/…/S258951412300021X

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• downpunxx@fedia.io ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  it all depends on how much you use your saw, if it's not often, then the threat is far less than if you use it all the time. it's a matter or percentages vs risk.

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• ikidd@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Their saws are competitive with similiar quality cabinet saws from General. I get what you’re saying about accidents being unlikely if you use your noggin, but they really aren’t much of a price difference. It’s less than retrofitting a sawstop addon to an existing saw.

  I’ve gone for decades without cutting a hand off, but I’d pay the little bit extra if I had to replace my tablesaw today.

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