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• SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Which is one of the most absurd things about that whole debacle, too…

  I’m very leftist, and god damn if these American conservatives have made me hateful, too. They’ve made me feel that if your whole fucking existence is dedicating to taking away rights from others, marginalizing them, and subjecting them to Social Murder, are the very people who deserve to have their voting rights stripped and subjected to the very things they want others to suffer.

  Frankly, if they’re going to bitch about it and endlessly play the victim anyway. Fuck it, let’s make em fucking victims like they want.

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  • NikkiDimes@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    …huh?

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    • modeler@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The paradox of tolerance.

      If people are tolerant of intolerance, tolerance dies. So, ironically, people who are otherwise highly tolerant people (especially when they have thought about this deeply) realise they must reject intolerance loudly and intensely, lest their way of life is destroyed.

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    • SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Abuse of trans people (and others) by conservatives makes me want to kick conservatives out of fucking society the same way they want to with everyone else.

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      • Jackthelad@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Yeah, you’re not going to be winning over any people to your side of the argument with this tactic.

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• adespoton@lemmy.ca ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Interestingly, trans persecution is closer to literal genocide (death based on genetic characteristics) than a lot of official genocides in recent history (which are often death based on culture or religion).

  With Israel/Palestine of course, you get genetics, culture, tribalism AND religion all at the same time, and the extreme fringes in both groups desiring total genocide of the other group.

  But any time you see populist politics, rest assured that the end game is a continual separation of “them” groups to blame for anything that prevents everyone from behaving like “us”. I still find the French Revolution to be all the warning I need in this area, but many people miss the myriad of lessons history provides us, and so we are doomed to repeat them.

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• Drivebyhaiku@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Technically the situation with trans people is already a genocide in the US - but such things do exist by degrees. You can’t call the two comparable in severity.

  A genocide counts when victims are targeted because of their real or perceived membership of a group, not randomly and involve :

  • killing members of the group
  • causing them serious bodily or mental harm
  • imposing living conditions intended to destroy the group
  • preventing births, and forcibly transferring children out of the group.

  Right now that particular snowball is small but you already have families with trans kids fleeing states because Child protective services can target affirming parents as child abuse removing vulnerable children into the foster system. People unable to go out in public for more than a couple hours at a time because they can’t use bathrooms without hassle or because they fear assault and trans adults are getting stranded in pain between surgical procedures or facing hormonal imbalances as their HRT and health care is forcibly stopped.

  Too often we treat words as automatically hyperbolic… But the reality is fuzzier. Genocides exist on a sliding scale. Gaza is a very hardcore textbook extermination the sort which dominates our understanding of the word genocide. The trans genocide is a much smaller largely beaurcratic one … People are dying due to it yes, but the actual cost is still well obscured.

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