Comment on Why are so many countries in the world “developing” and poor, while essentially only Western countries have a high standard of living?

NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• count_dongulus@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It’s true, former British colony The United States is still a developing country for this very reason.

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  • jol@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Due to the lack of functioning government, the mafia/corporations took over and nowadays the government is but a puppet. I send my thoughts and prayers to the Americans.

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    • dragontamer@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Uhhhhh.

      Anyone who has been to a developing country (in my case: the Philippines) vs USA will laugh at what USA citizens think of corruption.

      You got Fucking assassinations paid for by Filipino government likely to cover up political rivals. Open corruption in the Police where you can just pay them to get out of parking tickets or even criminal acts. Etc etc.

      Don’t be so much of a drama queen. USA is fine.

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      • Cypher@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Don’t be so much of a drama queen. USA is fine.

        Better than some places? Sure I’ll grant you that.

        Fine? Absolutely not.

        Horrific levels of violence, 22% of the worlds prison population, massive drug abuse issues and a failing health care system.

        I don’t know a single person from Australia who is remotely interested in immigrating to the US, while I know plenty of Americans keen to live here.

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      • jol@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        The thing is, in the US everything is 10x bigger. There’s no corrupt single cops. The whole police establishment is a huge massive overpaid problem that kills people and go one unpunished. There’s no political bickering and assassinations in the country, they do it everywhere else in the world, and still receive global forgiveness because you just can’t sanction the US. Richest country in the world and yet has the biggest share of prisoners, homeless, personal debt. Highly educated, but by far the most school shootings.

        The US isn’t “fine”. You can’t see past the superficial bling because it’s a rich country. It’s a really twisted country.

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      • labbbb@thelemmy.club ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Speaking about the police, I would also like to say that there is no police as such in developing countries.

        I have never seen the police in the USA take bribes (and even if they did, it’s simply impossible to imagine, honestly, it would be funny, like in some cartoon, ahaha) and the police there, I think, really work ( True, I did not understand these subtleties).

        What I also like is that any crazy suspects who try to injure other people (for example, mentally ill people) with a knife or a gun are simply shot, and they are not “coddled” with them, as happens in Europe and developing countries.

        But on the other hand, there are some disadvantages: the police can shoot an innocent person, the less “criminalized” weapons are, the more shootings there will be (both among ordinary people and among police), the more power the police have (this also applies to the first point), more violence.

        Also, it’s good if there are a lot of people in the country who are fine with mental health, but it seems to me that in the USA, unfortunately, they don’t attach much importance to mental health.

        But in developing countries, for example, in Russia, it’s just terrible… what kind of mental health? What are you about? And what is it? Are you depressed? No, you’re just lying…

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  • labbbb@thelemmy.club ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    HAHAHA.

    You don’t know what a developing country actually is. Iran, Syria, Russia… it’s just tough.

    At any moment, someone or something could fall on you from the roof, not only sites are blocked, but VPNs are at the level of the Great Firewall of China, terrible education, medicine, basically you can’t buy anything because of sanctions, there is no justice, there is no private property, all banks, convenience store chains, Internet providers, EVERYTHING “belongs” to the state intelligence service, even food, and even of poor quality that you are afraid of either getting poisoned or dying from eating them.

    Therefore, when Americans say that “the USA is a developing country,” it’s not even funny anymore, it just looks like, excuse me, a mockery for those who live in real developing countries.

    By the way, in our country even the likes of McDonald’s, and in general all businesses in the country “belong” to the state mafia intelligence service (structure)…

    Living in this country (and I live in Russia) you constantly live in stress, fear and panic. I have already developed some mental illnesses this way, such as C-PTSD. But I’m afraid to get treatment in this country, because, for example, you have to tell a psychologist everything, and if you say something like “Russia is committing genocide in Ukraine,” then they can simply inform on you, and then put you in prison for 15 years, and this person, who reported on you, you will not be able to see again, even when you get out of prison (because some Russians act vilely).

    I, of course, followed the events in the United States and knew that under Trump you almost had a coup d’etat, and this is terrible, of course. But, frankly speaking, knowing that Trump has a suspicious biography, and he collaborates with the Russian (Putin) mafia, then if he, I want to say, becomes president, then you can really start to have the same crap as in Russia: massive and systemic human rights violations, murders of the opposition, poisoning of activists, degradation in education, science and medicine (at a minimum), political and economic instability, extreme corruption, Internet censorship, lifelong presidential terms, totalitarianism and the like…

    Moreover, the US dollar is one of the most stable currencies in the world, and if Trump is elected president, it will simply be a threat to the whole world.

    In this case, I am more than sure that education will decline even in developed countries, organized crime will increase around the world, not to mention democracy and private property, which will certainly not exist in the USA (if Trump is elected).

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    • otp@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      when Americans say that “the USA is a developing country,” it’s not even funny anymore, it just looks like, excuse me, a mockery for those who live in real developing countries.

      As surprising as it may be, not everyone lives in the “good parts” of the US that they show on TV.

      There are definitely parts of the country where life is similar to how you described, except with less government control.

      In some parts of the country, there is no safe drinking water. In some places, you can’t even boil the water to make it safe to drink.

      There is similar poverty as you described, and while there isn’t much chance of warfare of any kind, there are places where being a certain race could get you shot and/or killed if you’re in the wrong place at the wrong time.

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      • labbbb@thelemmy.club ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I understand you, but still calling the USA a third world country is too much

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    • labbbb@thelemmy.club ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      …not only was I born in a developing country, where it’s hard to find a job (or if you do get a job officially, you need to get a military ID - and this means that you either have to waste 1 year of your life or die in Ukraine , killing civilians), so they took away all the foreign services and “goodies” from me (from the age of 15 I wanted to make PayPal for myself, I waited until I was 18, then I was happy, but after 2-3 years this payment system, like Visa/MasterCard , Payoneer left our country because of the gangster-mafia Russian government; as a child I watched Cartoon Network, Nickelodeon, I know, there was MTV, and a lot of other Western, interesting things…), and my family are fucking toxic narcissists, sociopaths and, I apologize, like many Russians, cynics. It’s just awful…

      You probably ask me how I live? I don’t live, I survive. More precisely, I’m trying to survive, because… my narcissistic mother is not working now (because she can’t find a job in our “village”) and I’m trying, like a 21-year-old, to do something to have an income…

      Again, there was an excellent opportunity to make money on the Internet, but you understand, PayPal is no longer there, everything is bad with foreign banks, there are no the same foreign payment systems, complete totalitarianism as regards (sources of) income/expenses…

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      • labbbb@thelemmy.club ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        …and I can’t move to another country. At first I had no money, and now I am forced to hide in the forest, because, considering that there is no private property in Russia, at any moment my door could be broken down (for which they will not pay a cent; because the courts, in in principle, not in this country), and taking it somewhere to the forest is quite possible.

        It’s also bad that you want to talk to someone, express your thoughts, but again you can be turned over and go to jail, so I have to keep everything to myself :(

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• Delphia@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Also its created a cyclical problem. (And Im going to do a terrible job of explaining this but I hope people can grasp what I’m on about.)

  Getting any kind of significant change going in a “developing” nation requires MASSIVE investment that they cant afford, which requires investment from mega-multinationals or foreign nations, who then (either rightly or not) have to tread super carefully because it looks like they are trying to buy the country by proxy, which means they dont want to make the super-mega investments because one little leadership change and a little nationalisation makes their investment worthless.

  Basically you need either a super benevolent form of colonialism or super ethical capitalism to get the ball rolling without just repeating the mistakes of the past.

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  • Arxir@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    ethical capitalism

    :D

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    • Delphia@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Ethical in the sense of developing a functional economy you can bleed in the long term as opposed to short term cut-throat exploitation.

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