Comment on Putin too, for some reason

• mattyroses@lemmy.librarysocialism.social ⁨12⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

  That’s also what most people in the USSR and Eastern Europe wanted - basically to have social systems with greater freedoms - but instead they got IMF shock treatment.

  The Chinese government claimed that what the protesters wanted would make China have class divisions and greater poverty. I don’t know if that’s true there, but that is what happened in the USSR.

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• Nola@piefed.zip ⁨20⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

  Most people also don’t know that the entire tankman saga happened as Chinese forces were LEAVING Tiananmen Square and he wasn’t run over. The tanks tried to go around then stopped and he climbed up and talked to the driver for a while then walked off with some people. And this all happened outside the foreign press hotel in an area that had been largely blockaded during that time.

  Where western reports were going out speaking of tons of violence in areas near the square.

  Which tankman has always been a peculiar moment in history cause in context it very much comes off like it was staged by the CCP, or at least the CCP thought it might work in their favor PR wise, but ends up getting used in a way that is suggestive of that moment being a moment of CCP violence against the innocent.

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• HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  That’s an important thing to educate others on, but… so?

  The problem is they massacred protestors, not what the protest was about.

  If the people want to speak in support of communism, let them. If they want to speak in support of capitalism, let them.

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  • DarkCloud@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

    Okay so they were protesting to get Free Speech, and to keep China communist.

    You’re saying what they were protesting (for Free Speech and Communism) isn’t important…

    …only Free Speech (one of the things they were protesting for) is important… Not Free Speech (one of the things they were protesting for).

    A bit of anti-communist blindness happening here.

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    • HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world ⁨47⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

      What in the mental gymnastics is your comment meant to be?

      Your edit comes across as, “Oops, looks like I was trying to rage against someone without realizing we agree; better edit to add a subtle retraction.”

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      • DarkCloud@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

        It’s a bit of that… Arguing on the internet is just easy to fall into so sorry if you feel hard done by in my figuring out we’re agreeing.

        I’m also spread a bit thin because I’ve put a lot of comments out on this post, as I have strong opinions on being anti-tankie and anti-communist under American Capitalist Fascism/Trumpism.

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    • copingwithelmons@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

      Yeah I agree with the idea of a more democratic communist country. But meme is about how tankies suck chinese and Russian assholes with blind adherence.

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      • DarkCloud@lemmy.world ⁨48⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

        Yes, and I doubt American Communism would be that way.

        It’s often overlooked that Communism isn’t a singlular unbending set of rules or type of government - every single instance of Communism has come with its own modifications and differences.

        I imagine American Communism (which is extraordinarily unlikely to ever come about) would involve Free Speech, the right to bear arms, and Religious freedoms.

        Ideally it would retain a multi-party system, and be open to being voted out.

        It would have totally new and American qualities to it - for better and for worse. That’s what history has shown to occur. Vietnamese Communism isn’t like Chinese Communism isn’t like Russian Communism, and frankly the new versions tend to be better.

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