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VerilyFemme@lemmy.blahaj.zone â¨2⊠â¨days⊠agoOkay, but if Zwarte Piet is just supposed to be covered in coal then why did they also give him giant red lips?
Itâs a little bit disingenuous to imply that Americans doing blackface is racist, but European blackface is innocent and traditional. Itâs not like the Dutch had never seen a black person when Zwarte Piet was createdâŚ
FishFace@piefed.social â¨2⊠â¨days⊠ago
As far as I understand, Zwarte Piet started out as a depiction of a black person. But it wasnât used, like minstrel shows were, to push hateful and limiting stereotypes of black people.
I donât think every American doing blackface must have been racist, but I think that given the cultural context in America, doing so will justifiably cause such massive offence that it canât really be defended.
anewfox@lemmy.zip â¨2⊠â¨days⊠ago
yeah this still just sounds like âitâs only racist when americans do it,â because yeesh, that explanation of where it came from isnât helping your case.
FishFace@piefed.social â¨2⊠â¨days⊠ago
I didnât give an explanation so I donât really understand
VerilyFemme@lemmy.blahaj.zone â¨2⊠â¨days⊠ago
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Idk about that one, chief.
rabidhamster@lemmy.dbzer0.com â¨1⊠â¨day⊠ago
Uh, are they literally depicting a minstrel-show black man kidnapping a white woman?
Euro racism denial is like those confederate losers who say itâs âjust about heritage.â Or WWII collectors who seem to ONLY gravitate toward third reich shit. Itâs such a naked âwell, technicallyâŚâ
FishFace@piefed.social â¨1⊠â¨day⊠ago
Whereâs the hate/limitation I spoke of? Or Iâm not sure what youâre trying to say.
I also specifically didnât say that the reaction makes something racist; rather I said it can make it indefensible. I feel like weâre not communicating well here.
VerilyFemme@lemmy.blahaj.zone â¨1⊠â¨day⊠ago
That implies that the instance weâre talking about, in this case Zwarte Piet, is not horrendous. See above image. I believe that is where the miscommunication is happening.