Because a communist dictator coming into power is often followed by severe mismanagement and famine and the deaths of millions. It’s not the same sort of evil as killing people deliberately, but they’re equally dead.
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psycholocomotor_no2@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 days agoWhy the hell do deaths under communism always seem to include every person who died from any cause not from old age, while the deaths of fascism only include people who were executed?
logi@lemmy.world 4 days ago
tutter@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 days ago
So, all the famine, death and destruction caused by capitalist exploitation of third world countries like india and most of the afrives continent can also directly be tied to that right? Then its at least a intellectually consisten framework youre operating under.
And doing that, the most conservative death toll, from WHO, is around 9 million excess deaths, A YEAR.
multiply that by, again lets be conservative and lets say just the last 30 years. So from the middle of the nineties to now, thats 270 million excess deaths just from imposed famine like conditions. So no even counting other deaths following the exploitation of workers and ressources in third world countries
if we just do the math, it seems capitalism is many orders of magnitude more deadly than even psychos like Stalin.
logi@lemmy.world 4 days ago
So, all the famine, death and destruction caused by capitalist exploitation of third world countries like india and most of the africsn continent can also directly be tied back to capitalism right?
Sure, if that’s the comparison you’re making. But “capitalism” Vs Mao is not a comparison that makes sense.
You could maybe count Churchill’s famine in India or his jolly little wars in Africa if you want to be argumentative. Or just accept that Mao caused millions of deaths through pig-headed incompetence and move on.
tutter@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 days ago
Im just being logically consistent here m8. Mao killed tens of millions. Capitalism kills hundreds of millions, and continues to do so.
If were gonna play the killscore game, might as well get the full scoreboard
psycholocomotor_no2@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 days ago
No, actually, just no, colonialist regimes and fascist regimes killed far more people consistently than even incompetent communist states. The deaths of millions every year under neocolonialist comprador governments in Africa and Asia and South America happens silently every year.
Communist dictatorship is better than a totally inhuman dictatorship of capital. I legit believe this.
logi@lemmy.world 4 days ago
I’m not even disputing that. I’m just saying Mao done fucked up. And if that triggers you, then you’ve got a problem.
psycholocomotor_no2@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 days ago
I have a problem with thinking the KMT would have been any better. I would have supported the CPC for the same reason why I support Iran and Hamas against Israel.
Jiggle_Physics@quokk.au 4 days ago
Also, how so many gloss over the MANY famines suffered under capitalism. Ones that range into the 10s of millions as well, and it wasn’t just one Great Famine, the British alone are responsible for like a dozen, or more, across their empire, especially if we are discussing the Pakistani/India/Bangladesh region. Ones where there was food, but that food had a high profit margin, so knowing that there wasn’t enough other food to go around, they still shipped it to places that would not have seen mass famine had they not received that food. The most famous being Ireland’s, because they are the white Europeans that suffered from these economic policies. Not to mention the absolute insanity that was European colonialism in sub Saharan Africa. However, we like to talk about those like they happened in isolation from each other, or as a consequence of acts of god. Total leading to well over the 100 million claimed to have been the consequence of communism, and which is disingenuously bloated.
Mao sucked. Harsh authoritarian, was 90% of the support for the Khmere Rouge, had no fucking clue how to run a country he took control of, etc. However he isn’t quite the outlier people make him to be when you really examine what happened under the capitalist empires.
psycholocomotor_no2@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 days ago
Yeah, like I think part of the reason they keep bringing up Hitler is that he basically colonized Europe, while far worse things happened in colonized Africa and Asia.