Yeah, but I think sometimes people forget that the “fuck israel” has to be derived from “free Palestine” and just get a little carried away feeling comfortable in having someone they’re allowed to meaninglessly hate and vilify as the badguy
There’s a great quote that you must love the oppressed more than you hate the oppressor, and that framing made a big impact on me. So much of the discussion online about plaestine is centered on Israeli atrocities, moreso than Palestinian tragedy and loss.
I get why, but the important thing is the liberation of the Palestinian people. Hatred for their oppressor is meant to come from hatred of their oppression.
Mossad fucked with EVERYONE’S governments! From USA to Russia. You know, the pedo baby-eater who explicitly mentioned a plan to get rid of the poor.
And Glishaine Maxwell had Mossad awsociation too. Now look what they are doing to Palestine.
Hope you understand, that area needs to be fucking walled off, and anyone prevented from going in. Thanks to the religious nutbags, that entire area is a memetic hazard.
Now I’m not going to say nuke Israel again, but that place needs to be gone one way or another. Idk, deport them to somewhere else, then salt the land and have border guards preventing the place from ever being settled again.
The place you’re saying to salt the earth is the stolen land of the Palestinians.
Which, thats kinda exactly what I mean by loosing sight of liberation for the oppressed. You’re talking about whether to nuke the (stolen) homeland of a suffering group.
You gotta remember that the point is justice, not retribution. And jutice often should include consequences. But that doesn’t make it the same thing as vindictive persecution.
No I think Ill make my own choice on that, thanks. If I want to hate the oppressors AND the oppression thats my business. I want vengeance for the afronts to humanity. Its not just all fine if the oppression stops. Debts are now owed in a big way.
Justice should often include consequences (and does include consequences in cases of genocide), but if you set the goal as retribution you may lose sight of what justice would actually entail. They are not at all the same thing.
And if we’re choosing between justice and retribution, one of those is a better choice that better honors the suffering of the oppressed than the other.
Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
Ideally you would do both.
Cris_Citrus@piefed.zip 3 weeks ago
Yeah, but I think sometimes people forget that the “fuck israel” has to be derived from “free Palestine” and just get a little carried away feeling comfortable in having someone they’re allowed to meaninglessly hate and vilify as the badguy
There’s a great quote that you must love the oppressed more than you hate the oppressor, and that framing made a big impact on me. So much of the discussion online about plaestine is centered on Israeli atrocities, moreso than Palestinian tragedy and loss.
I get why, but the important thing is the liberation of the Palestinian people. Hatred for their oppressor is meant to come from hatred of their oppression.
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
Mossad fucked with EVERYONE’S governments! From USA to Russia. You know, the pedo baby-eater who explicitly mentioned a plan to get rid of the poor.
And Glishaine Maxwell had Mossad awsociation too. Now look what they are doing to Palestine.
Hope you understand, that area needs to be fucking walled off, and anyone prevented from going in. Thanks to the religious nutbags, that entire area is a memetic hazard.
Now I’m not going to say nuke Israel again, but that place needs to be gone one way or another. Idk, deport them to somewhere else, then salt the land and have border guards preventing the place from ever being settled again.
Cris_Citrus@piefed.zip 3 weeks ago
The place you’re saying to salt the earth is the stolen land of the Palestinians.
Which, thats kinda exactly what I mean by loosing sight of liberation for the oppressed. You’re talking about whether to nuke the (stolen) homeland of a suffering group.
You gotta remember that the point is justice, not retribution. And jutice often should include consequences. But that doesn’t make it the same thing as vindictive persecution.
Felis_Catus_Domesticus@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
moron.
kreskin@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
No I think Ill make my own choice on that, thanks. If I want to hate the oppressors AND the oppression thats my business. I want vengeance for the afronts to humanity. Its not just all fine if the oppression stops. Debts are now owed in a big way.
Cris_Citrus@piefed.zip 2 weeks ago
Justice should often include consequences (and does include consequences in cases of genocide), but if you set the goal as retribution you may lose sight of what justice would actually entail. They are not at all the same thing.
And if we’re choosing between justice and retribution, one of those is a better choice that better honors the suffering of the oppressed than the other.